On 2021-01-20 12:47, Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss wrote:
In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for
making...:
On 2021-01-20 04:09, Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss wrote:
In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for
making...:
I would love to have XFCE.
But as I know, the OI devs will not package other DEs. They stay royal to
MATE.
You can't found any other DE's packages on the repo.
You might want to review the mailing list archives for this mailing list
to get a clearer understanding of why that is. It's been discussed
before.
If you or Chris or someone else builds an entire desktop environment
like Cinnamon and publishes a repo that is kept up to date, I would
definitely give it a try, at least in a VM. If someone does this and
keeps it up to date for a long time and continues to contribute to OI,
I would probably use that as my main desktop environment.
Just building it once, without a commitment to keeping it updated, isn't
good for anyone, though.
TBH The only reason OI isn't my "daily driver" is the DE available. If I
had XFCE (what I currently use), or better, Cinnamon. I'd have a hard time
not using OI. Overall I like it better. But I'm (currently) pretty well
committed to FreeBSD as maintainer of some 160 ports, and I create
installs for all my servers && clients. I've been on BSD since Bill Joy
forked 386BSD, and hacked on various NIX' before that. But if I could
cobble up an OI I could justify as a "daily driver", and something I could
recommend to my clients. I'd make the switch.
Which brings me to why I initiated this thread. Since I need commitment
to justfy *my* commitment. I thought I'd send out a "feeler" to see if
there was any interest. Appears I'm not the only one. So I'm going to
"take the plunge". I'll start gathering all the information I need to get
all the dots in a line, so I can start production. Any pointers to help
shorten the trajectory would be *greatly* appreciated. As well as keeping
the wiki working. ;-)
I'm indifferent to Xfce, but when you start working on Cinnamon and deps,
that's something that I would be happy to collaborate on and test.
That's my *ideal* target. I really like working in Cinnamon, and want to
transform my current workspace from XFCE to Cinnamon. So I'll definitely
include you in the loop when I start on it. :-)
oi-dev and the irc channels are your best source for help on porting,
and I've gotten good feedback in PRs where I've asked questions or been
stuck part way through updating or porting a package.
Also, rather than the wiki, I would highly recommend
http://docs.openindiana.org/
and then "HandBook->Building with oi-userland". That's been migrated from
the old wiki page and updated and had some corrections and a few
clarifications added. There may still be improvements that could be made,
so the
first few times through the process, please pay special attention
to places where that document misses information or appears incorrect. If
you mention the issues on oi-dev, I'll get PRs submitted (or you can,
if you fork the docs too) to try improve things.
In all honesty; OI could *really* use some DOC love --
consolidation/updating.
I had a devil of a time discovering where the "truth" was located. It's
currently
fragmented, and out-of-date -- mind you, I'm not shaking my finger at anyone
here.
Just sharing my current struggle in this regard. If it were to get
consolidated
I think many more might feel inclined to get onboard w/OI.
I'm currently using: https://github.com/OpenIndiana/oi-userland as my source
of
truth. Having been a (ports/package) maintainer on FreeBSD for some 10yrs.
I'm
finding it enough to read the shell framework to get up to speed. My only
*personal*
nit; is that it's largely bash(1) based. Maybe it's because I'm more used to
sh(1).
But I find bash to be a bit of a pig, by comparison. But I can get used to it
-- or
just rewrite all of it in sh(1). ;-)
Tim, thank you *very* much for all the pointers, and support! :-)
We'll be talking Cinnamon, real soon now. ;-)
--Chris
Tim
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