John, for the sake of testing.
Could you enable LCD text for the plot Label in your app ? Please let me know if that improves the position of each glyph (relative to one another). You should also try your app using our previous text rasterizer, run with -Dprism.text=t2k Is that better for you ? Regards, Felipe On Aug 22, 2013, at 7:05 AM, John Hendrikx wrote: > > Those are all normal controls, the plot section is just a Label for example. > > On 22/08/2013 13:39, John C. Turnbull wrote: >> John H, it may be just me but pretty much *all* the fonts in your screenshot >> look quite poor and noticeably different from native font rendering. If you >> look for instance at the text in the "Plot" section, to me that text looks >> awful. >> >> Is that inside a WebView or some other control? >> >> -jct >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: openjfx-dev-boun...@openjdk.java.net >> [mailto:openjfx-dev-boun...@openjdk.java.net] On Behalf Of John Hendrikx >> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2013 17:29 >> To: openjfx-dev@openjdk.java.net >> Subject: Re: Poor quality font rendering >> >> >> I took another good look, and I see what is bothering me is mostly how the >> glyph "2" is rendered on my system (it has a thick appearing curve attached >> to the base). I've included a screenshot of my application that uses >> several different sizes fonts, but it seems only the ones in the top bar are >> rendered somewhat wierd. >> >> http://ukyo.xs4all.nl/Digit2RenderedPoorlyInTopBar.png >> >> I'm on Windows 7, JavaFX 8b99, 32-bit, using D3D pipeline (I get this stuff >> in log in an infinite loop, so must be D3D I think): >> >> D3D Vram Pool: 129,613,674 used (48.3%), 129,613,674 managed (48.3%), >> 268,435,456 total -- >> com.sun.prism.impl.ManagedResource.printSummary(ManagedResource.java:134) >> 75 total resources being >> managed >> >> -- com.sun.prism.impl.ManagedResource.printSummary(ManagedResource.java:153) >> 4 permanent resources >> (5.3%) >> >> -- com.sun.prism.impl.ManagedResource.printSummary(ManagedResource.java:154) >> 2 resources locked >> (2.7%) >> >> -- com.sun.prism.impl.ManagedResource.printSummary(ManagedResource.java:156) >> 43 resources contain interesting data >> (57.3%) -- >> com.sun.prism.impl.ManagedResource.printSummary(ManagedResource.java:158) >> 0 resources disappeared >> (0.0%) >> >> -- com.sun.prism.impl.ManagedResource.printSummary(ManagedResource.java:160) >> >> I also have this in main, before Application.launch is called: >> >> System.setProperty("prism.lcdtext", "false"); >> >> In .root in CSS I have: >> >> -fx-font-family: "Arial"; >> -fx-font-size: 16px; >> -fx-font-weight: normal; >> >> So all the fonts you see should be Arial (but the sizes and weights are >> tweaked depending on location). >> >> --John >> >> On 21/08/2013 20:51, Felipe Heidrich wrote: >>> John H: >>> >>> In JFX we decided to go with sub-pixel positioned text (as opposite to >> pixel grid aligned). >>> That said, on Windows for grayscale text, we are not doing that (yet). Are >> you running Windows, with D3D pipeline ? >>> I would need to see a picture to be sure I understand the problem you >> describe. >>> Felipe >>> >>> >>> On Aug 21, 2013, at 10:19 AM, John Hendrikx wrote: >>> >>>> I think I also noticed a change in font rendering around b99 somewhere... >> the fonts seem to be thinner than before, or perhaps more poorly aligned >> with pixel boundaries. I'd prefer glyphs laid out in the same way each >> time, ie. letters are always on a new pixel boundary, so the same letter >> will look the same regardless of what preceeds it. I have LCD rendering >> turned off as I donot appreciate colored fringes on my glyphs. >>>> On 21/08/2013 14:53, John C. Turnbull wrote: >>>>> I have only really tested JavaFX extensively on Windows so my >>>>> comments here apply mainly to that platform. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It seems that even with a font smoothing type of LCD, font rendering >>>>> in JavaFX is not at the same level of quality of native >>>>> applications. My current experiences are with JavaFX 8 b103 and I >>>>> find that all rendered text in JavaFX appears of a significantly >>>>> poorer quality than that which I would see in Word for example or >>>>> even in IE10 (which I believe uses the same text rendering engine). >> Also, these observations are based on text in "standard" >>>>> controls and the quality of font rendering is dramatically worse >>>>> within the Canvas control. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am not an expert in font technology but I have read many times >>>>> that the levels of antialiasing for text that can be achieved in a >>>>> GPU-based renderer are always going to be less than that achieved in a >> CPU-based renderer. >>>>> This is often explained on the basis of graphics card drivers being >>>>> optimised for performance and the rapid rendering of triangles >>>>> commonly required in games rather than for rendering quality when it >> comes to text. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Is this the reason why JavaFX font rendering appears less legible >>>>> and of a lower quality than native apps? >>>>> >>>>> If so, how does IE10 for example achieve a higher quality of >>>>> rendering when it seems to also use DirectWrite? >>>>> >>>>> Is the quality of JavaFX font rendering ever going to improve? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -jct >>>>> >
