Hi,

Did some improvements on my "pure x11" branch:

- Bitmaps are now handled by cairo which will use Xrender if available
(will be beneficial if there's an alpha channel).
- Configuration using Xsettings (such as double click time)
- Setting the app icon now works
- Custom cursor works
- Mouse button works
- Able to launch Ensemble8 (with random crashes).

Interesting thing is that there's no need to convert BGRA -> RGBA. Not sure
if it's a big performance improvement.

It seems the only thing that will be missing to completely ditch gtk are
the "common dialogs" such as file open, etc.

I'm also investigating Wayland. It's somewhat similar to Xorg when it comes
to events and the use of XDG specs. Probably will replace cairo with egl.

-- Thiago.









Em dom., 24 de abr. de 2022 às 17:40, Thiago Milczarek Sayão <
thiago.sa...@gmail.com> escreveu:

> Hi,
>
> Xlib port at:
> https://github.com/openjdk/jfx-sandbox/tree/tsayao_xlib
>
> Is able to very poorly run Ensemble8:
> java @build/run.args -jar apps/samples/Ensemble8/dist/Ensemble8.jar
>
> Keyboard events still do not work, mouse clicks are still buggy.
> There will be crashes, but it's progress.
> Window size & positioning is better now.
>
> I am painting directly like this:
>
> void WindowContextBase::paint(void* data, jint width, jint height) {
>     Pixmap pixmap = XCreatePixmapFromBitmapData(display, 
> DefaultRootWindow(display), (char *) data, width, height, 0, 0, depth);
>     XCopyPlane(display, pixmap, xwindow, DefaultGC(display, 
> DefaultScreen(display)), 0, 0, width, height, 0, 0, 1);
>
>     XFlush(display);
>     XFreePixmap(display, pixmap);
> }
>
> It does flicker a little, maybe it needs XSync extension to draw together
> with WM, maybe some kind of buffering.
> Using cairo is possible, but it's a final render, not sure if there will
> be advantages.
>
> I am accepting opinions.
>
>
> -- Thiago.
>
> Em ter., 12 de abr. de 2022 às 03:22, <gregor.sch...@qfs.de> escreveu:
>
>>
>> Hi Thiago,
>>
>> I wholly agree.
>>
>> If gtk can be taken out of the equation it will reduce dependencies
>> significantly. Like we had with gtk2 vs. 3 in JavaFX/Swing
>> cross-embedding. Moving to gtk3 would start this all over again
>> whereas plain Xlib should remain fully compatible regardless of the
>> gtk version used by Swing (or SWT or whatever).
>>
>> I'll gladly help with testing - just ping me when you've got a
>> version that is reasonably stable.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>     Greg
>>
>> Thiago Milczarek Sayão <thiago.sa...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > Kevin,
>> >
>> > Sure, I was hoping for the question.
>> >
>> > "The focus of GTK has moved away from being a “meta toolkit” that other
>> > toolkits can use as a “backend”."
>> >
>> > Quoted from
>> >
>> https://discourse.gnome.org/t/gtk4-migration-window-management-functions-gone/7542/4
>> >
>> > The first attempt I have made is the logical one, gtk4:
>> > https://github.com/openjdk/jfx-sandbox/tree/tsayao_gtk4_playground
>> >
>> > Then I have discovered it's not possible to use gtk4 without Xlib and
>> that
>> > many window management functions are gone (see the quotation link).
>> > In addition to this:
>> > - Gtk4 cannot draw directly on the window or set the background without
>> > gtk4 css;
>> > - It cannot even move the window, just tell the compositor it started a
>> > move.
>> >
>> > I also have played plenty with gtk3, it breaks a lot of things thru the
>> 3.x
>> > release cycle, such as DND.
>> >
>> > So, I see no reason to use Gtk if Xlib fits better as a glass backend
>> (has
>> > all the needed functions) and Gtk would use Xlib anyway and hide much
>> > needed functionality.
>> >
>> > Current glass Gtk backend already touches a lot of Xlib.
>> >
>> > Wayland is fully compatible with Xlib, so we can work on "both worlds"
>> with
>> > it. Someday on the future a pure Wayland backend would be nice.
>> >
>> > I'm happy to answer any further questions.
>> >
>> > -- Thiago.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Em seg., 11 de abr. de 2022 às 12:41, Kevin Rushforth <
>> > kevin.rushfo...@oracle.com> escreveu:
>> >
>> >> Can you say more about the motivation for doing this? Given the
>> eventual
>> >> direction for Wayland support, even in X11 compatibility mode, I would
>> >> expect more use of gtk and less use of Xlib, not the other way around.
>> >>
>> >> -- Kevin
>> >>
>> >> On 4/10/2022 2:43 PM, Thiago Milczarek Sayão wrote:
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> > I got simple samples running on the pure Xlib port of the Gtk
>> backend.
>> >> >
>> >> > It still has gtk code, but mainly uses Xlib by now. Don't judge the
>> code,
>> >> > I'm porting it gradually.
>> >> >
>> >> > https://github.com/openjdk/jfx-sandbox/tree/tsayao_xlib
>> >> >
>> >> > java @build/run.args -cp apps/toys/Hello/dist/Hello.jar
>> >> hello.HelloCursors
>> >> >
>> >> > Window coordinates and sizes are still off a bit, so you might have
>> to
>> >> > resize the window to redraw.
>> >> >
>> >> > -- Thiago.
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>> --
>> Gregor Schmid
>>
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