Yes, sorry, I read it as if you were proposing to change the behavior. My mistake. I still think this is a good discussion to have. Perhaps we ought to clarify the behavior somewhere?
My understanding of CSS is that it does not work as a pre-processor. Rather, it's a single set of global things where everyone can change everything at run time, using the simple set of rules to determine whose changes are on top. I think (guessing here) it works the same in WWW CSS (there is no well-defined standard there either, but that is a different story, <blink>). I wish there was a public API to create stylesheets programmatically, bypassing the parser altogether. But this is unlikely to happen. -andy From: John Hendrikx <john.hendr...@gmail.com> Date: Tuesday, July 9, 2024 at 11:21 To: Andy Goryachev <andy.goryac...@oracle.com>, openjfx-dev <openjfx-dev@openjdk.org> Subject: Re: [External] : Re: CSS Lookups and their origins (possible regression) Hi Andy, I'm confused, nowhere do I propose to remove or otherwise make the CSS reference system implemented by FX unusable. I'm first trying to ascertain if this would be expected behavior (it is indeed unspecified, and the default currently seems to have been chosen for implementation ease, not for user friendliness). **IF** we're considering this worth changing, the change would simply be that when you override a variable (like -fx-base) that this is done WITHOUT elevating all styles that use it to the level of an AUTHOR stylesheet (ie. they remain at USER_AGENT level as they're specified by Modena). This is not a bad view, because in a sense, we're not really specifying a style, we're only overriding a variable. The actual style is still specified in Modena, which is a USER_AGENT level stylesheet. As for the bug fix, please read up a bit more on what was fixed, and what this is now exposing. The fix is almost completely unrelated (it fixed accidental changes to unrelated controls at the same level (ie. siblings) due to cache sharing where one has had a programmatic change, and the other didn't). This was caused by a CSS calculation bug (calculation was skipped for all styleable properties that already had a setter change, if they were encountered first by the CSS system). Now that this isn't the case anymore, set values are overwritten with CSS styles more aggressively. Normally those however are only styles that originate from an AUTHOR stylesheet, so this can be seen as expected by the user (after all, they WROTE that stylesheet). But because all styles that use a variable are being promoted to AUTHOR level, this also includes all unseen styles in Modena if you specify the variable in your AUTHOR stylesheet. > Nowhere did we **actualy** override -fx-text-fill " is not technically > correct since this color depends on -fx-base. That really depends on your view point. Is overriding a variable the same as defining all styles (in your AUTHOR stylesheet) that use that variable? If it was a pre-processor, that created a fully resolved Modena.css, then this would not be the case. But it is not implemented as such. > And I would not want to change how it works currently because this is the > only way (short of overwriting the whole modena.css styleshseet) for an > application to effect a system-wide change like reacting to changes in the > user preferences or the platform theme. To be clear, I'm not proposing to change that at all. --John On 09/07/2024 20:00, Andy Goryachev wrote: 1) a buggy implementation coupled with lack of specification creates a certain expectation 2) bug gets fixed 3) people complain because the feature now works as it should? I think (and this is my personal opinion, in the absence of a formal specification) that this works as expected now. The statement " Nowhere did we **actualy** override -fx-text-fill " is not technically correct since this color depends on -fx-base. And I would not want to change how it works currently because this is the only way (short of overwriting the whole modena.css styleshseet) for an application to effect a system-wide change like reacting to changes in the user preferences or the platform theme. -andy From: John Hendrikx <john.hendr...@gmail.com><mailto:john.hendr...@gmail.com> Date: Tuesday, July 9, 2024 at 10:45 To: Andy Goryachev <andy.goryac...@oracle.com><mailto:andy.goryac...@oracle.com>, openjfx-dev <openjfx-dev@openjdk.org><mailto:openjfx-dev@openjdk.org> Subject: Re: [External] : Re: CSS Lookups and their origins (possible regression) Well, it is coming as a surprise to many. With the fix for the CSS caching bug since JavaFX 21, this "normal" behavior is becoming much more obvious. Let me repeat one more time: If I have a Label, and I manually set its text fill with a setter to YELLOW. In JavaFX 17, when I now add a stylesheet that is empty aside from `-fx-base: WHITE`, the label's text fill stays YELLOW. Now do this in JavaFX 21. As soon as you add the stylesheet with `-fx-base: WHITE` in it, the set value to YELLOW is overridden, even though technically this value for -fx-text-fill is defined by Modena (which should not be overriding set values). Nowhere did we **actualy** override -fx-text-fill, yet the CSS subsystem now sees **all** values defined by Modena that are somehow linked to -fx-base as defined directly by the developer... The reason this didn't happen in JavaFX prior to 21 is because there was a bug where a CSS value was not fully calculated if the property it encountered was overridden via a set value. That was a bug however as cache entries are shared amongst similar styled nodes, and so not calculating it fully could have effects on other nodes that shared that cache entry but did NOT have a property set directly. Now that this bug is fixed, this problem is odd behavior is popping up where simply specifying -fx-base in an empty stylesheet is somehow overriding a programmatically set text fill. Users are confused by this, as nowhere in their stylesheet do they themselves override text fill. This entire mechanism is not specified by CSS, but is unique to FX. The most similar mechanism in CSS (see Michael's answer) says the priority of a style should not be changed when it is using a reference. --John On 09/07/2024 17:43, Andy Goryachev wrote: > all styles used in Modena that rely on -fx-base directly or indirectly > suddenly have a higher priority I think it works as designed (and as expected). -andy From: John Hendrikx <john.hendr...@gmail.com><mailto:john.hendr...@gmail.com> Date: Tuesday, July 9, 2024 at 08:25 To: Andy Goryachev <andy.goryac...@oracle.com><mailto:andy.goryac...@oracle.com>, openjfx-dev <openjfx-dev@openjdk.org><mailto:openjfx-dev@openjdk.org> Subject: [External] : Re: CSS Lookups and their origins (possible regression) It's not that you can't use -fx-base, but that as it is currently that all styles used in Modena that rely on -fx-base directly or indirectly suddenly have a higher priority (above setters) even though you didn't specifically specify them in your own stylesheet. All such styles are being elevated from USER_AGENT to AUTHOR level (which is above USER level which is used for setters). --John On 09/07/2024 17:03, Andy Goryachev wrote: I've used this feature in the past to change the colors in all the controls, so to me this is the expected behavior. So in your case (if I got it right), you need to set the direct style on the label (.setStyle("-fx-text-fill:yellow")) instead of setting the text fill programmatically. Right? -andy From: openjfx-dev <openjfx-dev-r...@openjdk.org><mailto:openjfx-dev-r...@openjdk.org> on behalf of John Hendrikx <john.hendr...@gmail.com><mailto:john.hendr...@gmail.com> Date: Monday, July 8, 2024 at 17:11 To: openjfx-dev <openjfx-dev@openjdk.org><mailto:openjfx-dev@openjdk.org> Subject: Re: CSS Lookups and their origins (possible regression) I realized I worded the TLDR poorly. Let me try again: TLDR; should styles which use references (like -fx-base used in Modena) become AUTHOR level styles if -fx-base is specified in an AUTHOR stylesheet? The act of simply specifying -fx-base in your own AUTHOR stylesheet elevates hundreds of styles from Modena to AUTHOR level, as if you specified them directly... --John On 09/07/2024 02:07, John Hendrikx wrote: Hi List, TLDR; should a CSS reference like -fx-base convert all styles that use this value (or derive from it) become AUTHOR level styles (higher priority than setters) ? Long version: In JavaFX 21, I did a fix (see #1072) to solve a problem where a CSS value could be reset on an unrelated control. This happened when the CSS engine encountered a stylable that is overridden by the user (with a setter), and decided NOT to proceed with the full CSS value calculation (as it could not override the user setting if that CSS value had lower priority). However, not proceeding with the calculation meant that a "SKIP" was stored in a shared cache which was incorrect. This is because when this "SKIP" is later encountered for an unrelated control (the cache entries are shared for controls with the same styles at the same level), they could get their values reset because they were assumed to be unstyled. However, this fix has exposed what seems to be a deeper bug or perhaps an unfortunate default: JavaFX has a special feature where you can refer to certain other styles by using a reference (which is resolved, recursively, to a final value). This does not seem to be a CSS standard, but is a feature only FX has. It works by saying something like: -fx-base: RED; And then using it like this: -fx-text-fill: -fx-base; This feature works accross stylesheets of different origins, so an AUTHOR stylesheet can specify -fx-base, and when a USER_AGENT refers to -fx-base, the value comes from the AUTHOR stylesheet. JavaFX then changes the origin of the style to the highest priority encountered while resolving the reference. This means that Modena can specify "-fx-text-fill: -fx-base", and when "-fx-base" is then part of the AUTHOR style sheet, that ALL Modena styles that use -fx-base will be considered AUTHOR level styles, as per this comment: // The origin of this parsed value is the greatest of // any of the resolved reference. If a resolved reference // comes from an inline style, for example, then the value // calculated from the resolved lookup should have inline // as its origin. Otherwise, an inline style could be // stored in shared cache. I feel that this is a really unfortunate choice. The style after all was specified by Modena, only its value came from another (higher priority) style sheet. I think a more logical choice would have been to not change the priority at all, unless a "-fx-text-fill" is explicitly made part of the AUTHOR stylesheet. A consequence of this (and which is much more visible after the fix) is that creating a Label with a setTextFill(Color.YELLOW) in its constructor will only result in a yellow text fill if the AUTHOR stylesheet did not override any of the Modena colors involved in calculating the Modena -fx-text-fill default. Overriding -fx-base in any way will result in the text fill of the label to be overridden (as the reference came from an AUTHOR stylesheet, which trumps a setter which is of a lower style origin). The comment also alludes to a potential problem. If an inline style would specify "-fx-base", but would be treated as if it came from Modena (USER_AGENT level), then this value could get stored in the cache as everything except INLINE styles can be cached. However, I feel that the changing of style origin level was then probably done to solve a CACHING problem, instead of what made logical sense for users. If we agree that a resolved reference should not change the style origin level, then this would need to be addressed, by perhaps marking such a calculated value as uncacheable, instead of overloading the meaning of style origin. I'd like to hear your thoughts, and also how to proceed. JavaFX versions before 21 seemingly allowed overriding reference without much consequence because if the user overrode the value manually, the cache entry would be set to "SKIP". Now that this is no longer the case, JavaFX more aggressively overrides user set values if they happen to use a referenced value. See code below. --John .root { -fx-base: #ff0000; } package app; import javafx.application.Application; import javafx.scene.Scene; import javafx.scene.control.Label; import javafx.scene.paint.Color; import javafx.stage.Stage; public class TestApp extends Application { public static void main(String[] args) { launch(args); } @Override public void start(Stage primaryStage) { Scene scene = new Scene(new MyLabel()); // See the difference with/without -fx-base in the stylesheet scene.getStylesheets().add(TestApp.class.getResource("/style.css").toExternalForm()); primaryStage.setScene(scene); primaryStage.show(); } } class MyLabel extends Label { public MyLabel() { setTextFill(Color.YELLOW); setText("Hello world"); } }
