Sebastian, You have raised valid points. I would appreciate it if others in the Openmeetings community also make their comments.
I would put forward this question to help clarify the best solution; 1) If in a meeting you may have 25 to 100 participants, how many people will you presenting? That is how many people do you want to have changing the slides, changing the whiteboard, clearing the entire whiteboard. My answer would be, three or four at the most. So what is more desirable?, that these three or four people also have access to other moderator rights, or to have everyone in the meeting changing slides and whiteboard and clearing the whiteboard? I would suggest that most people to whom you would grant the power to control the "presenter" level features would be only lecturers and teachers, these would be responsible people who would also appropriately use the greater powers that a Moderator has. But the 25 to 100 people who are only attending the meeting (often students) are more likely to be bored or to play with the controls (changing slides and whiteboard and clearing the whiteboard) in an inappropriate manner. You suggested "I don't think that adding a new role "User is a presenter" is a solution, we already have enough right levels so that it is confusing for beginners to deal with it." And I would have to partially agree, the only defence I would put forward for a new "presenter" role is that most people attending meetings know that the person giving the presentation is called a "Presenter" and that this is the person who will be giving the message and will change the slides, change the whiteboard (e.g. I am thinking of a physical, electronic style whiteboard where you can have four whiteboard and move from one to the other by pressing a button). There are two main types of meetings that I am familiar with, a) those where there is one or more presenters and everyone else just listens and/or asks questions, b) where everyone in the meeting collaborates and can highlight or make a chance on the whiteboard, but it is the presenter who controls the meeting and will change to a new whiteboard when require or will change the presentation slide or the page of the document that is being review. Everyone, please carefully consider the above, like Sebastian suggests, we should as a community carefully think about these requested changes, there may actually be yet another alternate change that better satisfies the problem of giving users access to the more major whiteboard controls while still allowing people to annotate what is on the whiteboard. Of course I do support these changes, as I submitted them, however the changes were first suggested by others so I am not the only person who believe it would be best if the major whiteboard controls were not available to everyone who wants to have the ability to draw on the whiteboard. Thanks, George Kirkham -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, 17 August 2012 10:59 PM To: George Kirkham Cc: [email protected] Subject: Shift of certain whiteboard rights to moderator only Hi George, if you shift those rights to the moderator of the room only the effect will be that if you want to grant anybody those rights you need to make them a moderator too. Moderators can kick other users out of the room and remove the moderation stick from other users (except they are super-moderator). Are you sure that this is the desired behaviour for the right system? What do others think about that change? The main changes are covered in: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-370 and: OPENMEETINGS-369 - Please make the "Clear Whiteboard" tool only accessible to Moderators and not to participants who have "Draw on the Whiteboard" rights OPENMEETINGS-370 - Please make the ability to change slides/pages of an uploaded document only available to Moderators, and not to participants who have "Draw on the Whiteboard" rights OPENMEETINGS-371 - Please make the ability to create new Whiteboards or change the Whiteboard only available to Moderators, and not to participants who have "Draw on the Whiteboard" rights has been successfully created. OPENMEETINGS-374 - Only Moderators should have the ability to upload, add, delete, or load files and folders. I don't think that adding a new role "User is a presenter" is a solution, we already have enough right levels so that it is confusing for beginners to deal with it. The effect after this shift could be that users start complaining: Why do we need moderation rights to change whiteboard slides. How would you answer that? Sebastian -- Sebastian Wagner https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock http://www.webbase-design.de http://www.wagner-sebastian.com [email protected]
