I don't really understand why do we need maven?
Why ant+ivy is not enough?
I always thought it is similar tools.

Could you please explain it?

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 2:10 PM, [email protected]
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Well lets give it a try with Wicket.
> However when it comes to the real collaboration and UI effects I think
> we will heavily use jQuery.
> We will first have to integrate our application in a Maven styled project.
>
> I guess we can still use ANT to compile certain aspect of our
> application, Maven can trigger ANT build scripts.
> http://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-antrun-plugin/
> seems to be a perfect tool for us.
> However some of the Ivy dependency management might be difficult to
> set up. Lets try that out.
>
> Sebastian
>
> 2012/8/27 Maxim Solodovnik <[email protected]>:
>> Hello Sebastian,
>>
>> sorry for the late reply (was out of city with no internet access)
>> While proposing using Apache Wicket I thought of following:
>>
>> 1) Displaying of lists: configuration, language labels, rooms etc.
>> 2) Use of Ajax to refresh only parts of page displayed.
>>
>> We definitely can use JS libraries (like jQuery UI) only but this will
>> make code less readable. I believe Apache Wicket will be good for
>> Admin menu etc. And we can easily add jQuery UI to it.
>>
>> Instead of Wicket we can use Spring MVC and Velocity.
>> I have proposed Wicket only because I have more experience with it and
>> from my point of view it is easy to maintain.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 12:23 AM, [email protected]
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> After some discussion I would like to propose to integrate Apache
>>> Wicket and try it out.
>>> I have update the document:
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/DHTML+Proposal
>>> Please add your notes.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Sebastian
>>>
>>> 2012/8/24 [email protected] <[email protected]>:
>>>> This would be my proposal:
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/DHTML+Proposal
>>>>
>>>> 2012/8/24 [email protected] <[email protected]>:
>>>>> What if we instead of Apache Wicket use Apache Velocity to provide the
>>>>> basic structure of the HTML websites?
>>>>> All dynamically loaded data, rendering of items could be then done by 
>>>>> jQuery.
>>>>> That way we will have a set of html templates to work on and a UI
>>>>> framework to manipulate it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sebastian
>>>>>
>>>>> 2012/8/24 [email protected] <[email protected]>:
>>>>>> I would like to share this use-case
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the next iteration I would like to put the Chat box as a permanent
>>>>>> box similar to what is in Google+ and Facebook on the bottom.
>>>>>> That mean no matter where you go, admin section, room list, dashboard
>>>>>> => the chat always stays the same, so a complete page refresh is not 
>>>>>> possible.
>>>>>> I would simply replace the DIV that contains the main content with new
>>>>>> one when switching between main menu entries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you think about that?
>>>>>> How would that affect the framework discussion?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sebastian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2012/8/24 [email protected] <[email protected]>:
>>>>>>> When it comes to rendering and UI component frameworks you come to
>>>>>>> projects like:
>>>>>>> code.google.com/p/wiquery
>>>>>>> http://www.7thweb.net/jquery-ui-samples/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Simple search for "Apache Wicket UI samples" and you find tons of
>>>>>>> jQuery examples that are used in Apache Wicket.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So from my point of view Apache Wicket is simply no UI framework. It
>>>>>>> is a web-framework. How things render is not part of it. Practically
>>>>>>> it might mean that we could combine Apache Wicket with jQuery too. But
>>>>>>> why use Apache Wicket then at all? We have already a backend with Rest
>>>>>>> Services and everything. Wicket would duplicate that. What parts of
>>>>>>> Wicket would we really use?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sebastian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2012/8/24 [email protected] <[email protected]>:
>>>>>>>> Can you show examples of Apache Wicket UI widgets and animation?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sebastian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2012/8/24 Maxim Solodovnik <[email protected]>:
>>>>>>>>> I would recommend to review Apache Wicket.
>>>>>>>>> It is MVC it has lots of UI components like paged lists table views 
>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>> It had built-in AJAX support.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In general I'll vote for moving to DHTML
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 24, 2012 3:57 PM, "[email protected]" 
>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would like to start a discussion about options to migrate and a
>>>>>>>>>> Roadmap for the upcomfing versions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is our current situation:
>>>>>>>>>> We currently have two client side application a) + b)
>>>>>>>>>> a) Audio/Video related stuff is all the SWF10 app
>>>>>>>>>> b) whiteboard, administration + all the rest in the SWF8 app.
>>>>>>>>>> The two SWFs communicate via LocalConnection with each other.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are three options from my point of view:
>>>>>>>>>> 1) refactor the SWF8 app to SWF11 and keep the LocalConnection
>>>>>>>>>> 2) refactor the SWF8 and merge SWF8 with SWF10 app to a single SWF11
>>>>>>>>>> app and get rid of the LocalConnection workaround
>>>>>>>>>> 3) refactor the SWF8 app to HTML5 and only use SWF for the 
>>>>>>>>>> audio/video
>>>>>>>>>> part.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> option 1 is the easiest thing to do
>>>>>>>>>> option 2 is the best from architecture point of view
>>>>>>>>>> option 3 is the best for moving to HTML5
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From my point of view it would be the best option to start DHTML
>>>>>>>>>> refactoring now (in a version 3.0 branch) and release the current
>>>>>>>>>> trunk tree (as version 2.1).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For the transition to DHTML we have several options:
>>>>>>>>>> I) Refactor to DHTML using OpenLaszlo
>>>>>>>>>> II) Refactor to DHTML using a JavaScript framework (jQuery, Dojo,
>>>>>>>>>> Apache Wicket, Spring+MVC)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My personal preference is using jQuery. It provides components for UI
>>>>>>>>>> and animation and is the most widespread. From a project point of 
>>>>>>>>>> view
>>>>>>>>>> it will be more easy to attract new developers if they can use tools
>>>>>>>>>> that they are comfortable in. And I really don't want to code a 
>>>>>>>>>> client
>>>>>>>>>> side application that requires heavy usage of the page-refresh. That
>>>>>>>>>> would be like moving back in time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are some architectural questions that we should discuss for the
>>>>>>>>>> JavaScript refactoring.
>>>>>>>>>> However there should be some kind of consens on the overall RoadMap 
>>>>>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So what do you think?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sebastian
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>>>>>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>>>>>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>>>>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>>>>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>>>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>>>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>>> [email protected]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> [email protected]
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> [email protected]



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Maxim aka solomax

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