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  Server: cvs.openpkg.org                  Name:   Michael Schloh
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  Module: openpkg-src                      Date:   14-Dec-2004 18:55:59
  Branch: HEAD                             Handle: 2004121417555800

  Modified files:
    openpkg-src/perl-apache perl-apache.spec

  Log:
    modifying package: perl-apache-5.8.6 20041129 -> 20041214

  Summary:
    Revision    Changes     Path
    1.39        +2  -2      openpkg-src/perl-apache/perl-apache.spec
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  patch -p0 <<'@@ .'
  Index: openpkg-src/perl-apache/perl-apache.spec
  ============================================================================
  $ cvs diff -u -r1.38 -r1.39 perl-apache.spec
  --- openpkg-src/perl-apache/perl-apache.spec  29 Nov 2004 19:38:03 -0000      
1.38
  +++ openpkg-src/perl-apache/perl-apache.spec  14 Dec 2004 17:55:58 -0000      
1.39
  @@ -27,7 +27,7 @@
   %define       V_perl                     5.8.6
   %define       V_apache_authcookie        3.06
   %define       V_apache_authcookiedbi     1.19
  -%define       V_apache_admin_config      0.91
  +%define       V_apache_admin_config      0.92
   %define       V_apache_dbi               0.94
   %define       V_apache_filter            1.022
   %define       V_apache_htpasswd          1.5.8
  @@ -52,7 +52,7 @@
   Group:        Language
   License:      GPL/Artistic
   Version:      %{V_perl}
  -Release:      20041129
  +Release:      20041214
   
   #   list of sources
   Source0:      
http://www.cpan.org/modules/by-module/Apache/Apache-AuthCookie-%{V_apache_authcookie}.tar.gz
  @@ .
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when's the last time you said 'Raca' or visitd Caiaphas?

"..anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca', is answerable to the
Sanhedrin."


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myth ('you' are dead, too)

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------- Additional Comments From pinskia at gcc dot gnu dot org  2004-12-14 
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Closing as fixed then.

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Camus' Stranger?

Read it in high school, remember liking it a lot (i'm a fan of 
existentialism)....but I don't remember much else about the book. I do 
remember the lead character being rather apathetic at the death of a family 
member...his Dad I think.

Does it have some relevance to the Peterson trial ya think???


> wow, has anyone read The Stranger?
>
> Actually, I think he is guilty and it was the taped conversations with
> Amber that did it for me. He told her he had "lost" his wife while
> Laci was still unsuspectingly getting ready for Christmas. All well
> and good and married men *have* been known to lie to their
> girlfriends. Except that a few days later, he *does* "lose" Laci.
> Also, the stuff about not wanting his own children although he was
> very willing to play and be with Amber's little girl is pretty
> damning. He was adamant about it on those tapes. I think the
> difference between Amber's little girl and Laci's little boy was that
> he would have owed child support for Conor. That's a pretty sleazy
> motive for murder.
>
> However, I find it pretty amazing that the physical evidence amounts
> to one hair. Either he's a very careful bastard, or they screwed up.
>
> Dana
>
>
>
> On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:20:24 -0500, Bill Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>> WOW then you get this.
>>
>> http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/12/14/peterson.case/index.html
>>
>> Jurors who decided that Scott Peterson deserves to die say his lack of
>> emotion played a large role in their decision.
>> Maybe he was sitting stone faced because standing up and screaming i
>> didnt do it wouldn't help him any? heh
>>
>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:53:45 -0400, Angel Stewart
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > And Vice Versa.
>> >
>> > Hmm..that's strange though don't you think?
>> > A case with this much media coverage,
>> > and we don't really know WHAT they convicted him on do we?
>> >
>> > -Gel
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: G
>> >
>> > And you didn't see 1% of what the jury saw.
>> >
>> > Your vindication of him is based on media reports, while their 
>> > indicment of him is based on arduous deliberation of the facts. I
>> > simply don't see how you can be so sure that you are right, and they 
>> > are wrong.
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Hi folks,

this is not a troll, really! I'm just looking for some advice.

I've been using Debian exclusively for about 2.5 years, and it's the
only linux with which I really have any experience.  I teach in the
history department at a Canadian university and have been asked to
teach a somewhat unusual coursee next semester:  not history at all,
but a kind of "technical self-sufficiency" not-for-credit
community-based course in a local housing project.  Students will
asssemble their own computers, install an operating system, and learn
how to use it.  

The students will come from a pretty wide variety of backgrounds; many
will be refugees and refugee claimants, others are new immigrants to
Canada.  In other courses offered in this program, a high percentage
of students have been (HIGHLY motivated) middle-aged women, and that
will probably be the case with this one again.

I'm very excited about the course but a little worried about which
distro to use in the class.  As I said, am only really familiar with
Debian and quite love it; but I do all my sysad work on the command
line and use the menu system very little, so I'm not sure my
experience is especially relevant.  I'm worried
that's not the best approach for this class.  So, I guess I want to
ask, which distros would folks recommend for the following situation:

- novice computer users, who probably know how to use a web browser,
an email client, and a mouse on windows, but little else;
- relatively slow hardware (hopefully not ancienct, but in any case
not cutting edge);

I'm not looking for beauty or even speed, really; I *am* looking for
out-of-the-box usability, compatibility with both old and new hardware
(especially plugin devices like mp3 players, which are likely used by
the kids of some students), and accessability.  

I had a bit of a wake up call this week when I tried out Ubuntu.  I
know it's based on Debian, and uses gnome, which really isn't so far
from my desktop, xfce.  But I found it surprisingly confusing to use;
having everything hidden behind the gui layer seems quite foreign to
me now.  so I really don't want to give folks a distro in which the
ocnf files need constant tweaking, as I've found they sometimes do
in Debian (at least in Sid, which I guess is an unfair comparison).  

anyway, thanks as always,

matt

PS: any suggestions as to which list this request really belongs on?


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unfinished thoughts in it (so adjust your spam filters accordingly).

The main premise of the on-topic next posting (not this off-topic one) =
is that CANR-LENR and the hydrino are dual aspects of a deceivingly =
complicated subject, which can be called a "simplex" (a subject which =
has been oversimplified so successfully in the past that we tend to =
minimalize its true complexity "on the next lower scale"). Ironically =
the subject is one which mainstream science thought they had totally =
mastered 50 years ago.That subject, of course, being the simplest, and =
at the same time, the most complicated of all matter - the hydrogen =
atom/molecule.

Ah... life is seldom as uncomplicated as we fervently desire it to be. =
Even now in 2004, I can't get my voice telephone fixed (its been =
"occasionally" but not always "out" for 2 weeks despite having DSL work =
perfectly). If it had just failed, they could fix it, but since it =
didn't fail, they can't fix it. Now that is the kind of logic that Harry =
Tuttle can appreciate.

And that is why humans were compelled to invent "nostalgia." It was a =
psychological imperative. But it is almost an act of supreme hubris for =
us human mental-midgets to think that something which comprises most of =
the known universe, hydrogen, could really be 'that' simple (Bohr atom, =
etc.). Oh sure, one has to get down to the minute details, down to a =
picometer geometry really, in order to appreciate the ever-unraveling =
complexity of hydrogen. Maybe the Lamb shift should have given us a hint =
as to what was in store, that Shrodinger was a gross-generalization. =
Even the great Dane himself, a product of another era, had little clue =
about the unraveling, which is just now beginning... but that is to be =
the subject of the second part of this posting. For now, some culture =
commentary.

Speaking of the formerly simple, now unraveling in its complexity, here =
is some slightly risqu=E9 humor to start off your day. It is a tribute =
to "nostalgia" but in the way that only your worst enemy would wish on =
you.

To paraphrase Neal Stephenson and other culture bloggers: It wasn't that =
long ago that in order to connect you brand-spanking new "major =
appliance" purchase (you remember the one - that amazingly advanced '386 =
PC which cost more than your Chevrolet, with less raw MIPs than your =
average teen now has to tote around his "itunes" on these days).... =
anyway to connect that awe-inspiring new device (now a door stop in your =
garage) to any outside source of information (sorry, this was before the =
WWW... we're talking a BBS, which probably had Usenet if you were =
lucky), you would be compelled to go through this bazzaro mating-ritual =
kind of thing, requiring you to pick up the phone, dial the other =
computer's number (often a long distance # ), listen for the first hint =
of an excruciatingly annoying dissonant rasping, and then quickly slam =
the handset down into the rubber cups of your very expensive new, big as =
a shoe-box, hi-tek modem (they practically give them away these days). =
At least the voice lines worked back then.

If your aim was accurate, this now-comic contraption would wrap one of =
its neoprene lips around the earpiece and the other succulent lip around =
the telephone's mouthpiece, consummating a kind of cyber-esques =
soixante-neuf, shuddering eventually, as it was suddenly possessed by =
the spirit of a distant cyber-lover, and begin to hammer out with =
incredible deliberation, a (usually) rather garbled messages in courier =
font, which no self-respecting IBM selectric would touch with a ten bite =
pole. After which, you could calculate that... with amortization, etc. =
the message cost you about $64 and change. But, of course, you had just =
scored the latest news about the upcoming '486 .... Ah.... in short, =
your had the "bug" way back then, in more ways than one... beyond even =
the Harry Tuttle variety, but you were at least glad to get a =
voyeuristic little bit of titillation from watching the modem =
sex-ritual, coz' you wife has frozen up her available sockets when you =
decided to blow the family surplus on the wrong kind of box, so brother, =
all you got left is them down-home "Core Dumped Blues"...=20

Well, my terminal's all locked up, can't get no Mail,=20
can't recall the last time Gopher didn't fail=20
...Got stacks in my 'structs, arrays in my queues,=20
...Got the Segmentation violation: Core dumped blues.

Now, that is anti-nostalgia, or the way it actually was, not the way we =
might desire or wish it had been - in order that we could "wax =
nostalgic" when the brand new Dell does something similar, but several =
layers deeper in the works, so it is much more difficult to find the =
"bug" nowadays ).

Jones

Where is Harry Tuttle when we need him? ... still in the duct-work?




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"nostalgia." It=20
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hubris for us=20
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of the=20
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etc.).=20
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appliance"=20
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PC which=20
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raw&nbsp;MIPs&nbsp;than your=20
average teen now has to tote around his "itunes" on these days).... =
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garage) to=20
any outside source of information&nbsp;(sorry, this was before the =
WWW... we're=20
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would be=20
compelled to go through&nbsp;this bazzaro mating-ritual kind of thing, =
requiring=20
you to pick up the phone, dial the other computer's number (often a long =

distance # ), listen for the first hint of an excruciatingly annoying =
dissonant=20
rasping, and then quickly slam the handset down into the rubber cups of =
your=20
very expensive new, big as a shoe-box,&nbsp;hi-tek modem (they =
practically give=20
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of its=20
neoprene lips around the earpiece and the other succulent lip around the =

telephone's mouthpiece, consummating a kind of cyber-esques =
soixante-neuf,=20
shuddering eventually, as it was suddenly possessed by the spirit of a =
distant=20
cyber-lover, and begin to hammer out with incredible deliberation, a =
(usually)=20
rather&nbsp;garbled messages in courier font, which no =
self-respecting&nbsp;IBM=20
selectric would touch with a ten bite pole. After which, you could =
calculate=20
that... with amortization, etc. the message cost you about $64 and =
change. But,=20
of course, you had just scored the latest news about the upcoming '486 =
....=20
Ah.... in short, your had the "bug" way back then, in more ways than =
one...=20
beyond even the Harry Tuttle&nbsp;variety, but you were at least glad to =
get a=20
voyeuristic little bit of titillation from watching the modem =
sex-ritual, coz'=20
you wife has frozen up her available sockets when you decided to blow =
the family=20
surplus on the wrong kind of box, so brother,&nbsp;all you got left is =
them=20
down-home&nbsp;"Core Dumped Blues"... </DIV>
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Mail,=20
<BR>can't recall the last time Gopher didn't fail <BR>...Got stacks in =
my=20
'structs, arrays in my queues, <BR>...Got the Segmentation violation: =
Core=20
dumped blues.</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dcenter>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft>Now, that is anti-nostalgia, or&nbsp;the way it =
actually was,=20
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could=20
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several=20
layers deeper in the works, so it is much more difficult to find the =
"bug"=20
nowadays&nbsp;).</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV align=3Dleft>&nbsp;</DIV>
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in the=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Xerces implements standards. If you can get the W3C XML committee to
incorporate this into the standard, I'm sure Xerces will support it.
However, the fact that it's not already there suggests that it might
not, in fact, be "welcome by all."


________________________________

        From: Gill, Prabhprit (Prabh)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
        Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 10:06 AM
        To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        Subject: Comments in XML.
=09
=09
        Hi,
        =20
        Discussions with my colleagues has raised a wish-list item.  It
would be nice to have a "nested comment" feature allowing the commenting
of large portions of XML, which itself may contain comments.  Currently,
any attempt to do so results in failure at the point the first internal
comment terminates. An example follows:
        =20
        Consider the following xml, containing comments:
        =20
         <requesttable name=3D"CT_credentials" required=3D"Y">
            <!-- ***     ID key column is assumed.      *** -->
            <!-- *** Add other key columns as required. *** -->
            <column name=3D"company" type=3D"C" length=3D"50" >
            <column name=3D"username" type=3D"C" length=3D"50" >
            <column name=3D"password" type=3D"C" length=3D"16" >
         </requesttable>
        =20
        An attempt to comment out this xml is as follows:
        =20
        <!--
         <requesttable name=3D"CT_credentials" required=3D"Y">
            <!-- ***     ID key column is assumed.      *** -->
            <!-- *** Add other key columns as required. *** -->
            <column name=3D"company" type=3D"C" length=3D"50" >
            <column name=3D"username" type=3D"C" length=3D"50" >
            <column name=3D"password" type=3D"C" length=3D"16" >
         </requesttable>
        -->
        =20
        which would of course fail when the first comment closes.
However, if the comment parsing was context sensitive this would not
occur.
        =20
        This is a change to the XML grammar, but we figure that if you
implemented this then all would follow suit.  We're certain that such a
change would be welcome by all.
        =20
        Please let us know what you decide.
        =20
        Best regards,
          Prab.
        =20


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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D682021817-14122004><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Xerces implements standards. If you can get the =
W3C XML=20
committee to incorporate this into the standard, I'm sure Xerces will =
support=20
it. However, the fact that it's not already there suggests that it might =
not, in=20
fact, be "welcome by all."</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
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  <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Gill, Prabhprit (Prabh)=20
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, =
December 14,=20
  2004 10:06 AM<BR><B>To:</B> =
[EMAIL PROTECTED]<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
  Comments in XML.<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D440235914-14122004>Hi,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D440235914-14122004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D440235914-14122004>Discussions with=20
  my colleagues has raised a wish-list item.&nbsp; It would be nice to =
have a=20
  "nested comment" feature allowing the commenting of large portions of =
XML,=20
  which itself may contain comments.&nbsp; Currently, any attempt to do=20
  so&nbsp;results in failure at the point the first =
internal&nbsp;comment=20
  terminates. An example follows:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D440235914-14122004></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D440235914-14122004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D440235914-14122004>Consider the=20
  following xml, containing comments:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D440235914-14122004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D440235914-14122004>&nbsp;&lt;requesttable =
name=3D"CT_credentials"=20
  required=3D"Y"&gt;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;!-- =
***&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ID=20
  key column is assumed.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ***=20
  --&gt;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;!-- *** Add other key columns as =
required.=20
  *** --&gt;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;column name=3D"company" =
type=3D"C"=20
  length=3D"50" &gt;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;column name=3D"username" =
type=3D"C"=20
  length=3D"50" &gt;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;column name=3D"password" =
type=3D"C"=20
  length=3D"16" &gt;<BR>&nbsp;&lt;/requesttable&gt;</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D440235914-14122004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D440235914-14122004>An =
attempt to=20
  comment out this xml is as follows:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D440235914-14122004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D440235914-14122004>&lt;!--</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D440235914-14122004>&nbsp;&lt;requesttable =
name=3D"CT_credentials"=20
  required=3D"Y"&gt;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;!-- =
***&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ID=20
  key column is assumed.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ***=20
  --&gt;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;!-- *** Add other key columns as =
required.=20
  *** --&gt;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;column name=3D"company" =
type=3D"C"=20
  length=3D"50" &gt;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;column name=3D"username" =
type=3D"C"=20
  length=3D"50" &gt;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;column name=3D"password" =
type=3D"C"=20
  length=3D"16" &gt;<BR>&nbsp;&lt;/requesttable&gt;</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D440235914-14122004>--&gt;</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D440235914-14122004></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D440235914-14122004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D440235914-14122004>which would of=20
  course fail when the first comment closes.&nbsp; However, if the =
comment=20
  parsing was context sensitive this would not =
occur.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D440235914-14122004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D440235914-14122004>This =
is a change=20
  to the XML grammar, but we figure that if you implemented this then =
all would=20
  follow suit.&nbsp; We're certain that such a change would be welcome =
by=20
  all.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D440235914-14122004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D440235914-14122004>Please let us know=20
  what you decide.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D440235914-14122004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D440235914-14122004>Best =

  regards,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D440235914-14122004>&nbsp;=20
  Prab.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  =
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Noch ein paar Namen aus dem Poesiealbum meiner Oma. Diesmal die, die sich a=
ls Schulfreundin eingetragen haben. Die k=F6nnen nat=FCrlich etwas j=FCnger=
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Habs gerade getestet und funktioniert wie gew�nscht. Super

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What is a client side handler? Do you mean that the client code should
check first before calling the webservice? But if the client is not
written by us then invalid data could still be sent to the server.

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Can't you add a client side handler to do that?

Jai

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        Does anyone know how to do this???

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        Hi:

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        Is there a way for axis to validate data before it is sent to
the web service. Basically the data the client sends should not be null.
When it comes to my web service all the required parameters should not
be null. E.g. if the client is supposed to send a struct that identifies
a client e.g. first name, last name, address1, address2,
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>What is a client side handler? Do =
you mean
that the client code should check first before calling the webservice? =
But if
the client is not written by us then invalid data could still be sent to =
the
server.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>

<hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter tabindex=3D-1>

</span></font></div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> =
THOMAS, JAI
[AG-Contractor/1000] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, December =
14, 2004
11:11 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: data =
validation</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Can't you add a client side handler =
to do
that?</span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Jai</span></font></p>

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style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Jairam, Roopnaraine
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, December =
14, 2004
9:02 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
[EMAIL PROTECTED]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: data =
validation</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Does anyone know how to do =
this???</span></font></p>

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12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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</span></font></div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> =
Jairam,
Roopnaraine <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, December =
09, 2004
10:30 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
[EMAIL PROTECTED]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> data =
validation</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Hi:</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Is there a way for axis to validate data before it is =
sent
to the web service. Basically the data the client sends should not be =
null.
When it comes to my web service all the required parameters should not =
be null.
E.g. if the client is supposed to send a struct that identifies a client =
e.g.
first name, last name, address1, address2, city,state,zip1,zip2. All the
members of the struct can't be null except for address2 &amp; zip2. Is =
there a
way to do this?</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Thanks in advance.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Vince.</span></font></p>

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Gold Wave now allows for plug-ins such as the SF noise-reduction plug-in.

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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, ron scott wrote:

> Hi guys, I'm confused, is it gold wave, or sound forge that is giving the
> problem?
> I didn't think Sony had anything to do with gold wave.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marijan Janev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> Hi Anders,
>> If you buy Sound forge and its noise reduction plug-in you don't need to
> buy
>> Goldwave at all. SF has all you need and much much more. I think that our
>> friend Jarry Richard offers good price for SF.
>> But of course, goldwave also wil satisfy your need but its noise reduction
>> is not so good.
>> The choice is only yours.
>> Good luck!
>> Marijan
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Anders Holmberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 2:02 PM
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>>
>>
>> Hello!
>> Ok.
>> So i have to buy it then?
>> Its no fun to know that a demo of something sends out beeps because sony
>> wants money.
>> /Anders.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gary Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 12:53 AM
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>>> Hi Anders.  I don't know if you're referring to me, but I have the full
>>> version of Soundforge u7.0.  I think someone answered my question.  I
> got
>>> those beeps because I needed to register my copy of Soundforge, and the
>>> Noisereduction plug-in.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Anders Holmberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>>> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 3:45 PM
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>>>> Hello!
>>>> Hmm, you don't have a demo of soundforge?
>>>> Sounds very strange to me.
>>>> /Anders.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
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>>>>
>>>>> Hi Anders.  When I try to record a file with the Soundforge
>>>>> Noisereduction
>>>>> plug-in, it seems like I hear beeps in the files that used the Noise
>>>>> Reduction plug-in.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Anders Holmberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 4:09 PM
>>>>> Subject: Irritating beeps with goldwave.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello!
>>>>>> I have the latest version of goldwave and a couple of directx
> plugins
>>>> from
>>>>>> sony.I think they come with the soundforge program i downloaded
> from
>>>> dc++
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> month ago.
>>>>>> Now when i try to use these directx plugins i get some irritating
>> beeps
>>>>>> during the processed sound.
>>>>>> FOr example.
>>>>>> I tried out the sony fx reverb and when i listened to my recording
> i
>>>> hear
>>>>>> some strange beeps within the sound file.
>>>>>> I don't understand what i have done wrong here.
>>>>>> Maybe its because i only have a demo of goldwave or something like
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>> Any help is apreciated.
>>>>>> /Anders.
>>>>>>
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Shinobu Kawai wrote:
> Hi Stan,
> 
> 
>>Still, I think, it would be a very good idea to slightly redesign
>>VelocityEngine class for better support of IoC setup.
> 
> 
> ## BTW, what does "IoC" stand for?
> 

Inversion of Control

There's some info at the Excalibur project about it: 
http://excalibur.apache.org/

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Steve Holden wrote:
> # Pre 2.2.1 compat.
> try: True, False
> except NameError: True = 1==1; False = 1==0
> 
> I believe this should work for all versions up to 2.4, and would also 
> work with a 2.5 that made True and False constants. But if anyone can 
> prove me wrong it would be you ... :-)

Seems like it might work, though we couldn't have the SyntaxError like 
we do for None:

 >>> try:
...     None
... except NameError:
...     None = 0
Traceback (SyntaxError: assignment to None

Note that even though I don't actually enter the except block, I still 
get a SyntaxError.

Another Steve
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Erik,

What equipment are you going to have in your server room? If you are 
going to have printers or tape drives they have different requirements 
than all
electronic equipment. How is the equipment placed and where are the air 
intakes and air exhaust from the equipment. Where are your HVAC and are
they adding to the room load?

How much heat is the equipment generating?

You want to cool the equipment but you do not want condensation on the 
equipment. You do not want totally dry air as the static will damage the
equipment also. You will need to check with the equipment manufacturer 
to get "the answer" to this question.

Will you have cubicles in the room for people or will it only be equipment.

Only you can answer this question for your equipment and what ever else 
is in the room. Is it a small room or a larger room?

John (ISDN) Lee

Erik Sundberg wrote:

>I have a couple of quick questions about environmental settings for server
>rooms.
>
>What is the ideal temperature and humidity for a server room?
>What is too cold for a server room?
>What should the humidity range be?
>
>Thanks
>Erik
>
>
>
>
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<big>Erik,<br>
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What equipment are you going to have in your server room? If you are
going to have printers or tape drives they have different requirements
than all<br>
electronic equipment. How is the equipment placed and where are the air
intakes and air exhaust from the equipment. Where are your HVAC and are<br>
they adding to the room load?<br>
<br>
How much heat is the equipment generating? <br>
<br>
You want to cool the equipment but you do not want condensation on the
equipment. You do not want totally dry air as the static will damage the<br>
equipment also. You will need to check with the equipment manufacturer
to get "the answer" to this question.<br>
<br>
Will you have cubicles in the room for people or will it only be
equipment.<br>
<br>
Only you can answer this question for your equipment and what ever else
is in the room. Is it a small room or a larger room?<br>
<br>
John (ISDN) Lee</big><br>
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Erik Sundberg wrote:<br>
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for server
rooms.

What is the ideal temperature and humidity for a server room?
What is too cold for a server room?
What should the humidity range be?

Thanks
Erik




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