Fly Man, your contribution to the project is well known, and I for one would hate to see a dispute with other contributors get blown up so no-one ends up 'winning' or the project suffers as a result.
I think what all parties need to do is to ignore the dispute for a little while, and take some time to cool down, and if you wish I am willing to mediate (off list) to bring the whole episode to an amicable solution. Sincerely Rock ________________________________________ From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Fly Man [fly.man.open...@gmail.com] Sent: 01 June 2009 13:35 To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Removal of project on GForge Thomas, The dispute has everything to do with OpenSim in general and not only with those 2 people. As it's not only OpenSimWiredux but the Search, Profile and Email projects that are closed And those are, at this moment, part of an OpenSim implementation. 2009/6/1 Thomas Grimshaw <t...@streamsense.net>: > Fly Man, > > Your dispute with these two people is nothing to do with us, or this > list. You need to resolve your differences in person. > With respect, attempting to hold projects at ransom is not going to get > you anywhere. > > ~Tom > > Fly Man wrote: >> Adam, >> >> Let's be reasonable then. >> >> All I am asking for is that 2 people that, in my eyes, did something >> wrong apologize to me and say that they're sorry about it. >> >> Then we can leave this whole discussion behind us and go on with doing >> the things we do best. >> >> Is that too much to ask from them ?? >> >> 2009/6/1 Frisby, Adam <a...@deepthink.com.au>: >> >>> Fly-Man-, >>> >>> When you bring out the big guns, and you aren't on solid ground - people >>> tend to look down at you - when you start a conversation out in >>> confrontation, then confrontation you will get. >>> >>> Regarding, 'revoking' the license, you simply cannot do that legally (go >>> check with a lawyer) - once you have placed code under one of the OSI >>> licenses, there is simply no way to 'undo' that action down the road. If it >>> were possible to undo an OSI license, then people would be setting up code, >>> then charging people for it retroactively years later. It also means that a >>> project cannot be killed by one angry developer. >>> >>> Likewise, you cannot change the license on an existing piece of code - you >>> can release new versions, or co-release the old code under a new license >>> (if you are the complete copyright owner and have no outside >>> contributions), however the old license is still considered working and >>> valid. >>> >>> Re: the forge itself - I am very, very loathe to remove any code or >>> projects from the forge without an exceptionally good reason. A spat with >>> other developers because they did something while you were gone, is not a >>> good reason. >>> >>> Adam >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev- >>>> boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Fly Man >>>> Sent: Sunday, 31 May 2009 7:54 PM >>>> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >>>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Removal of project on GForge >>>> >>>> Well, I can keep repeating myself but I won't ... >>>> >>>> If the 2 people that started this "meaningless discussion" just take >>>> up the glove and stop throwing dirt, then I have no problem with >>>> ending this discussion and reclaiming the projects and work on them >>>> like I did before. >>>> >>>> But as I have read for the past 6 hours, people tend to agree on one >>>> thing: "There can only be losers in this discussion" >>>> >>>> And maybe I need to explain why I am still argueing about this : >>>> >>>> When I develop things ( for the business that i make money with for a >>>> living since 5 months) and someone "forgot" to communicate with me >>>> and started this useless discussion, that those people know that they >>>> did something they shouldn't do a second time. >>>> >>>> We are all here to make OpenSim something to be proud of. >>>> >>>> And I enjoy working on the new technology just like every other >>>> developer. >>>> >>>> But when I need to call out the big guns just to get my point set, >>>> that disappoints me. >>>> >>>> 2009/6/1 Charles Krinke <c...@pacbell.net>: >>>> >>>>> Dear Fly-Man: >>>>> >>>>> I would like to suggest we step back from a "point of honor" and try >>>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>>> figure out how to work together. >>>>> >>>>> There are times in this project when passions rise high and this is >>>>> >>>> one of >>>> >>>>> those times. I would really like to find a way to move forward >>>>> >>>> without >>>> >>>>> pushing anyone into a corner. >>>>> >>>>> Your enthusiasm, work ethic and code has been good for the grid >>>>> >>>> deployments >>>> >>>>> and all I can say is that I am sorry that you and others have gotten >>>>> >>>> to the >>>> >>>>> place where the need exists to make the statements said today. >>>>> >>>>> So, please, please, lets figure out how to just work together. >>>>> >>>>> Charles >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: Fly Man <fly.man.open...@gmail.com> >>>>> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:53:35 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Removal of project on GForge >>>>> >>>>> Kyle, please read back what I posted earlier before you start to >>>>> >>>> throw >>>> >>>>> with words that I won't respond to: >>>>> >>>>> * There's 2 people that just need to apoligize and then we can all >>>>> >>>> get >>>> >>>>> back to what we're good in. >>>>> >>>>> Unless those people step up and take responsibilty about their >>>>> actions, then it means that on the 2nd of June >>>>> I need to consult with a lawyer about the further steps that need to >>>>> >>>> be >>>> >>>>> taken >>>>> >>>>> 2009/6/1 Kyle Hamilton <aerow...@gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>>> How about you check out the subversion tree at the last revision >>>>>> without the "whole mess that it is now"? That's what revision >>>>>> >>>> control >>>> >>>>>> systems are for, so you can check out old revisions. You can >>>>>> >>>> control >>>> >>>>>> your own experience -- while everyone else can cooperate as they >>>>>> >>>> want >>>> >>>>>> to. >>>>>> >>>>>> You should do this instead of bitching on the mailing list and >>>>>> essentially saying "IT'S MY BALL AND I'M GOING HOME". >>>>>> >>>>>> You're thus making a huge deal out of, literally, nothing. Which >>>>>> means you're a drama whore at best, and a troll at worst. >>>>>> >>>>>> Get a grip. I will also point out that the main OpenSim project >>>>>> >>>> trunk >>>> >>>>>> isn't clean, and that branches are made to maintain specific >>>>>> milestones, and so your objection to "as long as the main trunk is >>>>>> clean" isn't even in line with what the community has (loosely) >>>>>> standardized on. Yes, this might fly in the face of other projects' >>>>>> conventions, but this is what we have to deal with and have to live >>>>>> with as a part of working with OpenSim. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Kyle H >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Fly Man <fly.man.open...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Ideia, this problem can easily be resolved by 2 people that just >>>>>>> >>>> say >>>> >>>>>>> sorry and revert back the things that they added to the >>>>>>> >>>> OpenSimWiredux >>>> >>>>>>> so I can take a clean copy of the code without the whole mess that >>>>>>> >>>> it >>>> >>>>>>> is now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, in other words as some won't know what I said on #opensim-dev: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jamenai: Please send me an email, explaining why you added things >>>>>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>>>>> the Wiredux, stating that you didn't contact me before adding this >>>>>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>>>>> that you will revert the source back to the rev that I added. It's >>>>>>> okay with me to make a new branch where you fiddle with all your >>>>>>> >>>> stuff >>>> >>>>>>> as long as the main trunk is clean >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nebadon: Please send me an email, telling me that you were wrong to >>>>>>> think that I left the scene just because of the Money Debacle. And >>>>>>> that you did know about me being in a small holiday until the 1st >>>>>>> >>>> of >>>> >>>>>>> June as mentioned in several announcements that I did on all the >>>>>>> >>>> IRC >>>> >>>>>>> channels. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When those 2 people have made their excuses, I will no longer have >>>>>>> >>>> a >>>> >>>>>>> need to ask for deletion of the projects and will be a happy camper >>>>>>> once again. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's not in my natural nature to be like this, but for some people >>>>>>> this might sound like nagging. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No, it's not nagging, it's getting right what is wrong at this >>>>>>> >>>> moment. >>>> >>>>>>> 2009/6/1 Ideia Boa <ideia...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fly-Man >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do not know who is right in your disagreement, but I think if >>>>>>>> >>>> you had >>>> >>>>>>>> something you were thinking that was not being done in the most >>>>>>>> >>>> correct, >>>> >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> think the only way would have launched the discussion on mail-list >>>>>>>> #opensim-dev and not just you away from everything and remove the >>>>>>>> >>>> work >>>> >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> did, the work of all is very important and only a small opinion >>>>>>>> >>>> can make >>>> >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> difference. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> See that I am not defending anyone, I'm only making an observation >>>>>>>> >>>> of >>>> >>>>>>>> what I >>>>>>>> read in a mail-list >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ideia Boa >>>>>>>> www.worldsimterra.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fly Man wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Addition to the previous message: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This means that all the source needs to be deleted as stated under >>>>>>>> BSD.license and will not be re-uploaded to the Gforge or any other >>>>>>>> Gforge or >>>>>>>> SVN like system. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Opensim-dev mailing list >>>>>>>> Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >>>>>>>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Opensim-dev mailing list >>>>>>>> Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >>>>>>>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Opensim-dev mailing list >>>>>>> Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >>>>>>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Opensim-dev mailing list >>>>>> Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >>>>>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Opensim-dev mailing list >>>>> Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >>>>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Opensim-dev mailing list >>>>> Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >>>>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Opensim-dev mailing list >>>> Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >>>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Opensim-dev mailing list >>> Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Opensim-dev mailing list >> Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >> > > _______________________________________________ > Opensim-dev mailing list > Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev > _______________________________________________ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev _______________________________________________ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
