opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de wrote on 09/15/2009 03:23:36 PM: > Justin Clark-Casey <jjusti...@googlemail.com> > Sent by: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de > > 09/15/2009 03:23 PM > > Please respond to > opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > > To > > opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > > cc > > Subject > > Re: [Opensim-dev] pruning reference servers in core > > +1, that sounds good to me, multiple servers are confusing. > > What would be really really helpful is if we could make sure that the wiki > documentation reflects this when it happens. Nothing major, just clearly > deprecate all the old stuff and provide > just sufficient instructions for people to elaborate on later if required. I > know there is some documentation but even technically proficient > people seem to > have problems in this area.
+1 on this the current tangle of old/new and stubbed stuff basically requires people to re-ask the same questions on IRC and e-mail weekly. > > Or perhaps that confusion would clear up one the old servers are > eliminated and > the old doc becomes clearly out of date. > > > d...@metaverseink.com wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > Now that summer vacation is over and everyone seems to be back, it's > > time to revisit this thread. It's been one month, and no one has stepped > > up to bringing the old Grid.InventoryServer up to date with the new > > requirements. The simulators can still talk to old server, but really > > poorly, after failures; and they don't take advantage of the new > > streamlined interactions that avoid downloading the entire inventory > > into the simulators. > > > > In this past month, OSGrid has switched the inventory service to ROBUST, > > and lots of other grids have followed. The newly released IAR tool has > > been developed nicely for the new interface too. > > > > So -- I propose we drop the old Asset and Inventory servers now, so that > > we stop supporting old code. Any objections? > > > > Again, the door is always open for someone to step up and maintain those > > servers as alternatives -- even write/maintain connectors for them, and > > write/maintain corresponding pre-packaged configurations that use them. > > But without that kind of commitment, we're bound to make things very > > confusing by having multiple reference implementations of the same > > things, some of which are not evolving, and only one pre-packaged > > configuration that assumes the new interfaces. > > > > Crista > > > > d...@metaverseink.com wrote: > >> Ping me when you tune in to the IRC, if you still have questions after > >> reading this. The additions are really easy. Look in > >> OpenSim/Server/Handlers/Inventory/InventoryServerInConnector.cs, in my > >> local repo (the one currently in head is outdated) > >> http://github.com/diva/Diva-s-OpenSim-Tests/blob/ > 21b5ebdc1f59ee449f56e40d8cbb9f3f5b3de644/OpenSim/Server/Handlers/ > Inventory/InventoryServerInConnector.cs > >> > >> The 2 service handlers that you need to add and implement are these: > >> > >> m_httpServer.AddStreamHandler( > >> new RestDeserialiseSecureHandler<Guid, List<InventoryFolderBase>>( > >> "POST", "/SystemFolders/", GetSystemFolders, CheckAuthSession)); > >> > >> m_httpServer.AddStreamHandler( > >> new RestDeserialiseSecureHandler<Guid, InventoryCollection>( > >> "POST", "/GetFolderContent/", GetFolderContent, CheckAuthSession)); > >> > >> You can copy and paste the implementations I have there. > >> Let me know when you're done, so that I can push my local mods. > >> > >> > >> > >> MW wrote: > >>> If you can provide the details of those two handlers that need adding to > >>> the old servers, I can have a go at implementing them; dependent on how > >>> much work it involves. > >>> > >>> --- On *Thu, 13/8/09, d...@metaverseink.com /<d...@metaverseink.com>/* > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> From: d...@metaverseink.com <d...@metaverseink.com> > >>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] pruning reference servers in core > >>> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > >>> Date: Thursday, 13 August, 2009, 5:01 PM > >>> > >>> I'm fine with waiting until September before pruning reference > >>> implementations down to one of each. But someone needs to give love to > >>> Grid.Inventory, because I don't have time for loving so many > servers :-) > >>> > >>> The current improvement I'm doing right now (eliminating the need to > >>> pass the entire inventory around) only works for the new-style > >>> inventory > >>> service. It can easily be made to work for the old one. Whoever wants > >>> Grid.Inventory to support the simulators' [much more reasonable] needs > >>> should make the necessary improvements to it.. I'll be happyto explain > >>> what the server needs to do -- 2 additional service handlers. I still > >>> haven't pushed my local commits, and I can wait a little bit for a > >>> Grid.InventoryServer lover to step up and volunteer. But I don't think > >>> it's reasonable to hold this improvement until September; I already > >>> have > >>> it, and it's almost ready to be pushed out to grids out there. Passing > >>> thousands of inventory items upon region crossings and TPs is probably > >>> one of the worst things in OpenSim right now, and needs fixing. > >>> > >>> > >>> MW wrote: > >>> > I'm fine with the AssetInventoryServer being removed as soon as > >>> possible > >>> > because I don't think anyone uses it. > >>> > > >>> > But believe we should at least wait a couple of more weeks before > >>> the > >>> > Grid.InventoryServer > >>> > and Grid.AssetServer are removed, so that everyone gets a chance > >>> to have > >>> > their say/vote. As a number of people are on vacation around this > >>> time.. > >>> > > >>> > Personally as long as the ROBUST servers are fully tested on > >>> multiple > >>> > grids that have a quite heavy load/userbase, then I'm okay with > >>> removing > >>> > the old servers, as long as there is total agreement; I know a few > >>> > people have said they don't want to swap to ROBUST. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > --- On *Tue, 11/8/09, Frisby, Adam /<a...@deepthink.com.au > >>> </mc/compose?to=a...@deepthink.com.au>>/* wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > From: Frisby, Adam <a...@deepthink.com.au > >>> </mc/compose?to=a...@deepthink.com.au>> > >>> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] pruning reference servers in core > >>> > To: "opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > >>> </mc/compose?to=opensim-...@lists.berlios.de>" > >>> <opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > >>> </mc/compose?to=opensim-...@lists.berlios.de>> > >>> > Date: Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 10:09 PM > >>> > > >>> > Please do. I'd like a 0.6.X release shortly after every > >>> > networkinterface version change if possible - since it makes > >>> compat > >>> > with the latest stable release always a headache. > >>> > > >>> > Adam > >>> > > >>> > > -----Original Message----- > >>> > > From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de > >>> </mc/compose?to=opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de> > >>> > </mc/compose?to=opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de > >>> </mc/compose?to=opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de>> > >>> > [mailto:opensim-dev- > >>> > > boun...@lists.berlios.de > >>> </mc/compose?to=boun...@lists.berlios.de> > >>> > </mc/compose?to=boun...@lists.berlios.de > >>> </mc/compose?to=boun...@lists.berlios.de>>] On Behalf Of Justin > >>> > Clark-Casey > >>> > > Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 12:04 PM > >>> > > To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > >>> </mc/compose?to=opensim-...@lists.berlios.de> > >>> > </mc/compose?to=opensim-...@lists.berlios.de > >>> </mc/compose?to=opensim-...@lists.berlios.de>> > >>> > > Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] pruning reference servers in core > >>> > > > >>> > > d...@metaverseink.com > >>> </mc/compose?to=d...@metaverseink.com> > >>> </mc/compose?to=d...@metaverseink.com > >>> </mc/compose?to=d...@metaverseink.com>> wrote: > >>> > > > Dear devs, > >>> > > > > >>> > > > I'm finally changing the way the simulator > caches inventory. > >>> > This is > >>> > > all > >>> > > > good, and it's the beginning of the much awaited user > >>> services > >>> > > > refactoring. This requires a few small changes in the > >>> inventory > >>> > > services > >>> > > > interface, as well as additions to the > >>> implementation(s). So... > >>> > > > > >>> > > > We now have 3 -- yes 3! -- different inventory servers > >>> in core. > >>> > (and > >>> > > 3 > >>> > > > asset servers too). I think it's time to make a decision > >>> on what to > >>> > > keep > >>> > > > and what to drop, because evolving this ecosystem of > >>> > implementations > >>> > > in > >>> > > > core is unscalable. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > With this, I'm proposing that we drop the old > >>> Grid.InventoryServer, > >>> > > the > >>> > > > old Grid.AssetServer and the AssetInventoryServer (CB1). > >>> Some > >>> > people > >>> > > may > >>> > > > still be using the old servers, so it's time to switch > >>> everybody to > >>> > > > ROBUST. Asking in the IRC, it looks like no one is using > >>> > > > AssetInventoryServer. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Comments? Objections? > >>> > > > >>> > > Might be an idea to knock out a 0.6.7 first before > making that > >>> > switch. > >>> > > > >>> > > -- > >>> > > justincc > >>> > > Justin Clark-Casey > >>> > > http://justincc.wordpress.com > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > >>> > > Opensim-dev mailing list > >>> > > Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > >>> </mc/compose?to=opensim-...@lists.berlios.de> > >>> > </mc/compose?to=opensim-...@lists.berlios.de > >>> </mc/compose?to=opensim-...@lists.berlios.de>> > >>> > > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > Opensim-dev mailing list > >>> > Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > >>> </mc/compose?to=opensim-...@lists.berlios.de> > >>> > </mc/compose?to=opensim-...@lists.berlios.de > >>> </mc/compose?to=opensim-...@lists.berlios.de>> > >>> > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > Opensim-dev mailing list > >>> > Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > >>> </mc/compose?to=opensim-...@lists.berlios.de> > >>> > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Opensim-dev mailing list > >>> Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > >>> </mc/compose?to=opensim-...@lists.berlios.de> > >>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Opensim-dev mailing list > >> Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > >> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Opensim-dev mailing list > > Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev > > > > > -- > justincc > Justin Clark-Casey > http://justincc.org > _______________________________________________ > Opensim-dev mailing list > Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
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