Oh yes I *DID* update the wiki to reflect this - sigh. On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Karen Palen <[email protected]> wrote:
> Since this is the real world, perhaps that could be added in the "hints to > the non-genius beginner somewhere?" > > Not every new user has years of experience at this! > > As for IRC, I have yet to manage to make it connect at all. Totally due to > some grievous deficiency in my character I am sure. > > Karen > > > On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Melanie <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> first off, it's not a change in mono. It's a change in how >> distributions package mono. It means that the Debian packagers seem >> to be at fault. >> >> Mono is monolithic, you can NOT break it up into a mono-runtime and >> mono-develop or mono-complete package. Mono contains the CodeDom >> methods and some of the methods DO call the compiler, which is >> assumed to be there. >> >> Not including the compiler cripples mono and the packagers need to >> be slapped around with a large trout, and more than just a bit. >> >> OpenSim will always need mono-complete, or whatever the name is that >> the packagers give the package that contains the compiler and libraries. >> >> OpenSim compiles scripts programmatically, on a crippled system, >> e.g. one without a compiler, this will NOT work. >> >> This is not OpenSim's fault. >> >> As for IRC, you join the appropriate channel and ask your question. >> >> Don't say "Hi". Don't ask "Can I ask a question?". Don't ask "Are >> there any devs here?". Don't expect a reply to any of those. >> >> So, ask your question. Then stay online and wait. Most of us log >> IRC, or stay logged in 14/7. We scroll back to look for questions >> and answer them. Of course, this can be 10 hours later. We won't >> bother answering a question if the asker has left since then. We >> also don't answer irrelevant, inappropriate or misplaced questions. >> >> Ask user questions in #OpenSim. Do not ask them in #OpenSim-dev, >> they will be ignored there. >> >> Easy, isn't it? >> >> You can't expect to come in, ask a question, get an answer, and log >> out. If you're not willing or able to stay logged in to IRC until >> there is an answer for you, we have this mailing list. >> >> Melanie >> >> Karen Palen wrote: >> > Please don't shoot the messenger. >> > >> > I have forwarded this to the http://thehypergates.com people for >> comment. >> > >> > As a minimum it would seem that the OpenSim documentation needs to be >> > updated to reflect this change in mono. >> > >> > I happen to be doing a lot of LSL script coding right now, so I will try >> the >> > various scripts on a "clean" install (all of my machines have the full >> > dev/debug mono normally) and report specific scripts/LSL functions that >> > appear to require the extra capabilities. >> > >> > BTW I have not been able to get a response on IRC and have not taken the >> > time to figure out the problem. In the past IRC has not been very useful >> for >> > this kind of problem. >> > >> > Karen >> > >> > On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Melanie <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> No, but the IRC or this list are right place for it , NOT Mantis. If >> >> it's not a coding error, it doesn't belong in Mantis. >> >> >> >> I can't access that website so I can't get the script in question. >> >> >> >> However, it is understood that you MUST be running OpenSim on a >> >> machine that is capable of compiling it. GMCS is part of Mono and >> >> it's needed to compile scripts. >> >> >> >> If a distro has cut Mono down into a user and a developer package, >> >> you MUST have the developer package. This is because scripts are >> >> compiled to normal assemblies, and the CodeDom tools do this by >> >> calling the external gmcs.exe. If that is not there, scripts will >> >> not work. >> >> >> >> If a distro makes distinctions there, it's that distro that is at >> >> fault, not OpenSim. >> >> >> >> Therefore, the place for that is IRC or here, not Mantis. >> >> >> >> I have stopped answering "support" type questions in Mantis tickets >> >> because it gets abused as a forum. OpenSim has no forum. It has a >> >> mailing list. >> >> >> >> Melanie >> >> >> >> Karen Palen wrote: >> >> > I was under the impression that I was reporting LSL scripts that do >> NOT >> >> work >> >> > under the default mono! >> >> > >> >> > It appears that at least some of the LSL scripts do require an extra >> mono >> >> > package, despite the documentation. >> >> > >> >> > Should I simply forget about this bug report or ????? >> >> > >> >> > Karen >> >> > >> >> > On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Mantis Bug Tracker < >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> A NOTE has been added to this issue. >> >> >> >> ====================================================================== >> >> >> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5007 >> >> >> >> ====================================================================== >> >> >> Reported By: Karen Palen >> >> >> Assigned To: >> >> >> >> ====================================================================== >> >> >> Project: opensim >> >> >> Issue ID: 5007 >> >> >> Category: [REGION] Scripting Engine >> >> >> Reproducibility: always >> >> >> Severity: major >> >> >> Priority: normal >> >> >> Status: closed >> >> >> Git Revision: r-13558 >> >> >> SVN Revision: 0 >> >> >> Run Mode: Standalone (Multiple Regions) >> >> >> Physics Engine: BasicPhysics >> >> >> Environment: Mono / Linux32 >> >> >> Mono Version: 2.4.2 >> >> >> Resolution: fixed >> >> >> Fixed in Version: >> >> >> >> ====================================================================== >> >> >> Date Submitted: 2010-08-31 11:10 PDT >> >> >> Last Modified: 2010-09-26 15:48 PDT >> >> >> >> ====================================================================== >> >> >> Summary: Some scripts require installing more >> than >> >> the >> >> >> default mono release >> >> >> Description: >> >> >> I have just finished a "clean" install of Diva r-13558 on a brand >> new >> >> >> machine with freshly installed Ubuntu Lucid (10.04). >> >> >> >> >> >> Lucid comes with mono 2.4.4 pre-installed, however sone scripts >> require >> >> >> the package mono-gmcs and others (e.g. the hypergate >> >> >> http://www.thehypergates.com/ ) >> >> >> require the "mono-complete" package. >> >> >> >> >> >> According to the mono documentation this is due to unresolved >> references >> >> >> in the scripting package. >> >> >> >> ====================================================================== >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> (0016905) melanie (administrator) - 2010-09-26 15:48 >> >> >> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5007#c16905 >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> OpenSim runs with the normal mono packages. That will run OpenSim >> and >> >> all >> >> >> LSL scipts. Any other languages may need additional libraries, which >> are >> >> >> not OpenSim's responsibility to provide. And Mantis is NOT a Forum. >> If >> >> you >> >> >> have questions, PLEASE take it to IRC. >> >> >> >> >> >> Issue History >> >> >> Date Modified Username Field Change >> >> >> >> ====================================================================== >> >> >> 2010-08-31 11:10 Karen Palen New Issue >> >> >> 2010-08-31 11:10 Karen Palen Git Revision => r-13558 >> >> >> 2010-08-31 11:10 Karen Palen SVN Revision => 0 >> >> >> 2010-08-31 11:10 Karen Palen Run Mode => >> Standalone >> >> >> (Multiple Regions) >> >> >> 2010-08-31 11:10 Karen Palen Physics Engine => >> >> BasicPhysics >> >> >> 2010-08-31 11:10 Karen Palen Environment => Mono / >> >> Linux32 >> >> >> 2010-08-31 11:10 Karen Palen Mono Version => 2.4.2 >> >> >> 2010-08-31 13:52 Karen Palen Issue Monitored: Karen Palen >> >> >> 2010-09-26 14:14 Matto Note Added: 0016902 >> >> >> 2010-09-26 14:30 melanie Note Added: 0016903 >> >> >> 2010-09-26 14:30 melanie Status new => >> closed >> >> >> 2010-09-26 14:30 melanie Resolution open => >> fixed >> >> >> 2010-09-26 15:39 Karen Palen Note Added: 0016904 >> >> >> 2010-09-26 15:48 melanie Note Added: 0016905 >> >> >> >> ====================================================================== >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Opensim-dev mailing list >> >> > [email protected] >> >> > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Opensim-dev mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >> >> >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Opensim-dev mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Opensim-dev mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >> > >
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