Re: This may not be the place to post this, however....may be of interest to all that follow this thread.
Opensimulator / Second Life non-server based NPC? (Dahlia Trimble stated at the bottom of her second video - "Here's a demo of an auto-navigating (SERVER-SIDE) NPC character", which implies the npc is driven by a engine attached to the server. (ie server side engine and needed access to the server to impliment navigation.) On the other hand, the navigation system I built does not require a plug in be installed on the server. It does all the mapping and navigating by itself (think of an external browser with capabilities to map and navigate any Opensimulator or Second Life simulator, allowing the NPC(s) to perform tasks and requires less bandwidth and server power than a normal Avatar.) Both approaches to NPC navigation have merit and the work involved is non-trivial. Functional NPCs (not the server power hogging mess Second Life came out with.) will give Opensim "Content" capabilites whereby NPCs, going about their business, will enrich the user experience. Picture transporting to a simulation of a 13th century village and finding "nobody" there. Now picture the same village with NPCs filling rolls until their human owners come in and take control of the NPCs body, ie standard virtual world human interaction. Have to run... My 5 yr. old is screaming for help.... she's busy flinging arrows at the NPC dragon attacking her village!! :) Dave Gubser -----Original Message----- From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of opensim-dev-requ...@lists.berlios.de Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 11:17 PM To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Opensim-dev Digest, Vol 65, Issue 7 Send Opensim-dev mailing list submissions to opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to opensim-dev-requ...@lists.berlios.de You can reach the person managing the list at opensim-dev-ow...@lists.berlios.de When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Opensim-dev digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: 0.7.5 rc1, missing support for the DTL/NSL module (What Virtual World - Guy Quicksand) 2. Thread.Abort() considered harmful (Justin Clark-Casey) 3. Opensimulator / Second Life non-server based NPC navigation (Dave Gubser) 4. Re: Opensimulator / Second Life non-server based NPC navigation (Dahlia Trimble) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 23:29:55 +0100 From: "What Virtual World - Guy Quicksand" <g...@whatvirtualworld.com> To: <opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] 0.7.5 rc1, missing support for the DTL/NSL module Message-ID: <3A9F5DC3D0AB482BABCC0EAA16B24E71@MARGRIET> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Thanks Justin, I found it was the search/profile module not any other as i had recompiled dtl allready. I still have to see if it works now, but i had no errors after removing the search and profile dll's. These 2 dll's where automaticly copied to the folder for setting up the simulator allong with all proper ini files. Still the dtl module is not working but we got a step forward, they probably need the profile module to work properly. Will do some more testing will let you know how it goes. Thanks for everything. Best regards, Martin Forster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Clark-Casey" <jjusti...@googlemail.com> To: <opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] 0.7.5 rc1, missing support for the DTL/NSL module >I suspect the compiled DTL/NSL module is looking for Mono.Addins v0.5 >whereas recent changes now mean that Mono.Addins v0.6 is shipped. > > If this is so, you really either need to recompile the DTL/NSL module (or > ask the authors to do so in preparation for the final release of 0.7.5), > or redirect the DTL/NSL assembly [1] to load the 0.6 module even though > it's looking for 0.5 (or ask the authors). I can't say for sure if this > will work though there's a good chance. > > [1] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/twy1dw1e%28v=vs.90%29.aspx > > On 07/01/13 01:31, James Hughes wrote: >> Yes, please paste a full error output on pastebin.com and the link here. >> Be sure no passwords or other sensitive >> information is included. >> >> Thanks! >> BlueWall >> >> On 01/06/2013 05:32 PM, What Virtual World - Guy Quicksand wrote: >>> Hello James, >>> >>> I have been searching for additinal dll''s in system paths, none found. >>> I am using the Mono.addons from the opensimulator, and no the module >>> does not come with its own version. >>> Personaly i dont think the module is failing as i get the same error on >>> a fresh ( without anny aditional modules ) opensim 0.7.5 rc1. >>> My effort you point out below was that i replaced the effected files >>> from git changes on this subject to see if i get it running. >>> I am probably over 30 hours now trying to solve this isue, that is why i >>> called out for help as i cant pinpoint this isue. >>> I even tried to use the .config files from 0.7.3 as they where >>> different.. also no solution. >>> >>> Strange thing is that the older git 13c4fd7 is running fine. >>> I cant find any other mono.addin* files in any path that could be >>> accesed, i dont know if the mono.addins search locations by them selfs? >>> The robust is running just fine, only the simulator is giving this >>> error. >>> ( i asume this error couses all external modules to not load, as i dont >>> have this error on the win7 box and modules are working there just >>> fine ) >>> >>> If you need a full error output, please let me know. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Martin forster >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Hughes" >>> <jam...@bluewallgroup.com> >>> To: <opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de> >>> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 8:57 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] 0.7.5 rc1, missing support for the DTL/NSL >>> module >>> >>> >>>> On 01/06/2013 09:15 AM, What Virtual World - Guy Quicksand wrote: >>>>> Hello all.. hope to post this to the right section. >>>>> I have been trying to update our beta simulators to 0.7.5 rc1. >>>>> It seems it has a problem at the mono.addins. >>>>> Error log(part): >>>>> log4net:ERROR DefaultRepositorySelector: Unhandled exception in >>>>> GetInfoForAssembly >>>>> System.IO.FileLoadException: Could not load file or assembly >>>>> 'Mono.Addins, Versi >>>>> on=0.5.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=0738eb9f132ed756' or one >>>>> of >>>>> its depe >>>>> ndencies. The located assembly's manifest definition does not match >>>>> the >>>>> assembly >>>>> reference. (Exception from HRESULT: 0x80131040) >>>>> File name: 'Mono.Addins, Version=0.5.0.0, Culture=neutral, >>>>> PublicKeyToken=0738eb...... >>>> >>>> Can you see any other copies of Mono.Addins in the path on that >>>> system, or does the module distribute it's own version of them? >>>> >>>>> I have done next: >>>>> replaced : >>>>> bin/Mono.Addins.CecilReflector.dll >>>>> bin/Mono.Addins.Setup.dll >>>>> bin/Mono.Addins.dll >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mono Addins have been updated to support some new capabilities on the >>>> Robust server. >>>> >>>> The distributed versions are what should work. Changing them might >>>> cause further issues. First, let's see if there are additional copies >>>> around. Also, if you remove that module, does it report the error? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> BlueWall >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Opensim-dev mailing list >>>> Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >>>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Opensim-dev mailing list >>> Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Opensim-dev mailing list >> Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >> > > > -- > Justin Clark-Casey (justincc) > OSVW Consulting > http://justincc.org > http://twitter.com/justincc > _______________________________________________ > Opensim-dev mailing list > Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 01:42:33 +0000 From: Justin Clark-Casey <jjusti...@googlemail.com> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: [Opensim-dev] Thread.Abort() considered harmful Message-ID: <50eccb09.8060...@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Over the past couple of months, I have been struggling with an issue where mono 2.10.8 would sometimes crash badly on a heavily loaded simulator (2000+ scripts). Symptoms are 100% cpu use, simulator locking up with all threads waiting on a lock which no other thread holds or crashing with native stack trace From analysis, this seems to be due to the use of Thread.Abort() to terminate script threads whose events do not complete within a short (or sometimes no) timeout. This is used in llDie() and llResetOtherScript(), amongst other things. The use of Thread.Abort() is considered harmful, leading to the kind of system instability described above [1] [2] [3], etc. This affects scripts running in both separate AppDomains and the same AppDomain, since script functions constantly reach into core OpenSimulator code. One could extend the timeout, but there is a tradeoff with timely script stopping. Also, even a large timeout would not guarantee that threads would not be aborted. Therefore, I will probably soon investigate a mechanism for stopping scripts without calling Thread.Abort(). This will probably involve the use of Thread.Interrupt() for Sleeps and the insertion of 'should I stop' flag checks in generated code where that code may be long running (e.g. control structures for, goto, etc. and user defined functions). This is the normal approach one would take to co-operatively stop threads and avoid the chance of leaving Mono/.NET in a bad state. The existing Thread.Abort mechanisms will remain default until this approach is shown not to have significant bugs/problems. However, I think in the long term we have to stop using Thread.Abort() by default since it is not a safe thing to do. Comments welcome. [1] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1051838/killing-a-thread-c [2] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/7a2f3ay4%28v=vs.80%29.aspx [3] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2251964/c-sharp-thread-termination-and-th read-abort -- Justin Clark-Casey (justincc) OSVW Consulting http://justincc.org http://twitter.com/justincc ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 18:00:10 -0800 From: "Dave Gubser" <gub...@dynacee.com> To: <opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de> Subject: [Opensim-dev] Opensimulator / Second Life non-server based NPC navigation Message-ID: <000901cdee0d$0ee003c0$2ca00b40$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I thought the following might generate a little interest in NPC capablilites. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krPKVey7LgU&feature=youtu.be -----Original Message----- From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of opensim-dev-requ...@lists.berlios.de Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 3:00 AM To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Opensim-dev Digest, Vol 65, Issue 6 Send Opensim-dev mailing list submissions to opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to opensim-dev-requ...@lists.berlios.de You can reach the person managing the list at opensim-dev-ow...@lists.berlios.de When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Opensim-dev digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: 0.7.5 rc1, missing support for the DTL/NSL module (Justin Clark-Casey) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 23:02:40 +0000 From: Justin Clark-Casey <jjusti...@googlemail.com> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] 0.7.5 rc1, missing support for the DTL/NSL module Message-ID: <50eb5410.5080...@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I suspect the compiled DTL/NSL module is looking for Mono.Addins v0.5 whereas recent changes now mean that Mono.Addins v0.6 is shipped. If this is so, you really either need to recompile the DTL/NSL module (or ask the authors to do so in preparation for the final release of 0.7.5), or redirect the DTL/NSL assembly [1] to load the 0.6 module even though it's looking for 0.5 (or ask the authors). I can't say for sure if this will work though there's a good chance. [1] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/twy1dw1e%28v=vs.90%29.aspx On 07/01/13 01:31, James Hughes wrote: > Yes, please paste a full error output on pastebin.com and the link > here. Be sure no passwords or other sensitive information is included. > > Thanks! > BlueWall > > On 01/06/2013 05:32 PM, What Virtual World - Guy Quicksand wrote: >> Hello James, >> >> I have been searching for additinal dll''s in system paths, none found. >> I am using the Mono.addons from the opensimulator, and no the module >> does not come with its own version. >> Personaly i dont think the module is failing as i get the same error >> on a fresh ( without anny aditional modules ) opensim 0.7.5 rc1. >> My effort you point out below was that i replaced the effected files >> from git changes on this subject to see if i get it running. >> I am probably over 30 hours now trying to solve this isue, that is >> why i called out for help as i cant pinpoint this isue. >> I even tried to use the .config files from 0.7.3 as they where >> different.. also no solution. >> >> Strange thing is that the older git 13c4fd7 is running fine. >> I cant find any other mono.addin* files in any path that could be >> accesed, i dont know if the mono.addins search locations by them selfs? >> The robust is running just fine, only the simulator is giving this error. >> ( i asume this error couses all external modules to not load, as i >> dont have this error on the win7 box and modules are working there >> just fine ) >> >> If you need a full error output, please let me know. >> >> Best regards, >> Martin forster >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Hughes" >> <jam...@bluewallgroup.com> >> To: <opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de> >> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 8:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] 0.7.5 rc1, missing support for the DTL/NSL >> module >> >> >>> On 01/06/2013 09:15 AM, What Virtual World - Guy Quicksand wrote: >>>> Hello all.. hope to post this to the right section. >>>> I have been trying to update our beta simulators to 0.7.5 rc1. >>>> It seems it has a problem at the mono.addins. >>>> Error log(part): >>>> log4net:ERROR DefaultRepositorySelector: Unhandled exception in >>>> GetInfoForAssembly >>>> System.IO.FileLoadException: Could not load file or assembly >>>> 'Mono.Addins, Versi on=0.5.0.0, Culture=neutral, >>>> PublicKeyToken=0738eb9f132ed756' or one of its depe ndencies. The >>>> located assembly's manifest definition does not match the assembly >>>> reference. (Exception from HRESULT: 0x80131040) File name: >>>> 'Mono.Addins, Version=0.5.0.0, Culture=neutral, >>>> PublicKeyToken=0738eb...... >>> >>> Can you see any other copies of Mono.Addins in the path on that >>> system, or does the module distribute it's own version of them? >>> >>>> I have done next: >>>> replaced : >>>> bin/Mono.Addins.CecilReflector.dll >>>> bin/Mono.Addins.Setup.dll >>>> bin/Mono.Addins.dll >>> >>> >>> >>> Mono Addins have been updated to support some new capabilities on >>> the Robust server. >>> >>> The distributed versions are what should work. Changing them might >>> cause further issues. First, let's see if there are additional >>> copies around. Also, if you remove that module, does it report the error? >>> >>> Thanks >>> BlueWall >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Opensim-dev mailing list >>> Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Opensim-dev mailing list >> Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Opensim-dev mailing list > Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev > -- Justin Clark-Casey (justincc) OSVW Consulting http://justincc.org http://twitter.com/justincc ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev End of Opensim-dev Digest, Vol 65, Issue 6 ****************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 23:16:32 -0800 From: Dahlia Trimble <dahliatrim...@gmail.com> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Opensimulator / Second Life non-server based NPC navigation Message-ID: <caaqtd4wiqzgsngsvrsvmye2xz_owtwd4y6k7o17hmb20enq...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I guess I should take this opportunity for a little shameless self-promotion ;) http://vimeo.com/51836266 http://vimeo.com/51377266 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Dave Gubser <gub...@dynacee.com> wrote: > I thought the following might generate a little interest in NPC > capablilites. :) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krPKVey7LgU&feature=youtu.be > > -----Original Message----- > From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de > [mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of > opensim-dev-requ...@lists.berlios.de > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 3:00 AM > To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > Subject: Opensim-dev Digest, Vol 65, Issue 6 > > Send Opensim-dev mailing list submissions to > opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > opensim-dev-requ...@lists.berlios.de > > You can reach the person managing the list at > opensim-dev-ow...@lists.berlios.de > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Opensim-dev digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: 0.7.5 rc1, missing support for the DTL/NSL module > (Justin Clark-Casey) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 23:02:40 +0000 > From: Justin Clark-Casey <jjusti...@googlemail.com> > To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] 0.7.5 rc1, missing support for the DTL/NSL > module > Message-ID: <50eb5410.5080...@googlemail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I suspect the compiled DTL/NSL module is looking for Mono.Addins v0.5 > whereas recent changes now mean that Mono.Addins > v0.6 is shipped. > > If this is so, you really either need to recompile the DTL/NSL module (or > ask the authors to do so in preparation for the final release of 0.7.5), or > redirect the DTL/NSL assembly [1] to load the 0.6 module even though it's > looking for > 0.5 (or ask the authors). I can't say for sure if this will work though > there's a good chance. > > [1] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/twy1dw1e%28v=vs.90%29.aspx > > On 07/01/13 01:31, James Hughes wrote: > > Yes, please paste a full error output on pastebin.com and the link > > here. Be sure no passwords or other sensitive information is included. > > > > Thanks! > > BlueWall > > > > On 01/06/2013 05:32 PM, What Virtual World - Guy Quicksand wrote: > >> Hello James, > >> > >> I have been searching for additinal dll''s in system paths, none found. > >> I am using the Mono.addons from the opensimulator, and no the module > >> does not come with its own version. > >> Personaly i dont think the module is failing as i get the same error > >> on a fresh ( without anny aditional modules ) opensim 0.7.5 rc1. > >> My effort you point out below was that i replaced the effected files > >> from git changes on this subject to see if i get it running. > >> I am probably over 30 hours now trying to solve this isue, that is > >> why i called out for help as i cant pinpoint this isue. > >> I even tried to use the .config files from 0.7.3 as they where > >> different.. also no solution. > >> > >> Strange thing is that the older git 13c4fd7 is running fine. > >> I cant find any other mono.addin* files in any path that could be > >> accesed, i dont know if the mono.addins search locations by them selfs? > >> The robust is running just fine, only the simulator is giving this > error. > >> ( i asume this error couses all external modules to not load, as i > >> dont have this error on the win7 box and modules are working there > >> just fine ) > >> > >> If you need a full error output, please let me know. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Martin forster > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Hughes" > >> <jam...@bluewallgroup.com> > >> To: <opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de> > >> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 8:57 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] 0.7.5 rc1, missing support for the DTL/NSL > >> module > >> > >> > >>> On 01/06/2013 09:15 AM, What Virtual World - Guy Quicksand wrote: > >>>> Hello all.. hope to post this to the right section. > >>>> I have been trying to update our beta simulators to 0.7.5 rc1. > >>>> It seems it has a problem at the mono.addins. > >>>> Error log(part): > >>>> log4net:ERROR DefaultRepositorySelector: Unhandled exception in > >>>> GetInfoForAssembly > >>>> System.IO.FileLoadException: Could not load file or assembly > >>>> 'Mono.Addins, Versi on=0.5.0.0, Culture=neutral, > >>>> PublicKeyToken=0738eb9f132ed756' or one of its depe ndencies. The > >>>> located assembly's manifest definition does not match the assembly > >>>> reference. (Exception from HRESULT: 0x80131040) File name: > >>>> 'Mono.Addins, Version=0.5.0.0, Culture=neutral, > >>>> PublicKeyToken=0738eb...... > >>> > >>> Can you see any other copies of Mono.Addins in the path on that > >>> system, or does the module distribute it's own version of them? > >>> > >>>> I have done next: > >>>> replaced : > >>>> bin/Mono.Addins.CecilReflector.dll > >>>> bin/Mono.Addins.Setup.dll > >>>> bin/Mono.Addins.dll > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Mono Addins have been updated to support some new capabilities on > >>> the Robust server. > >>> > >>> The distributed versions are what should work. Changing them might > >>> cause further issues. First, let's see if there are additional > >>> copies around. 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