On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Fleep Tuque <[email protected]> wrote:
> Well, to clarify, a user _may_ have rights to copy items in their > inventory from one grid to another, but they also may not - it all depends > on the individual license for the individual item. > > In the current server/viewer schema, the Copy/Mod/Transfer permissions > preserved in the object edit window indicates a limited license applicable > _only_ to the grid where the item originated, as far as I understand. This > is the source of much confusion as many people interpret Copy/Mod/Trans > permissions as a license applying to any grid, but it doesn't, it only > applies to the grid where the item originated. > The issue is further compounded by different countries having different laws. E.g. in my country no agreement exists unless it has been explicitly agreed upon by both parties. I.e. I need to be presented with a clear choice (Do you accept the TOS Yes or No), otherwise no agreement is made. And even those agreements have their limitations, especially in regards to end-users who are not used to complicated license agreements. > > An item creator can also make a separate license that applies permissions > for other grids, which may give a user permission to copy the item to other > grids, but the problem is, there's no mechanism to record that license and > reliably attach the additional license to the item. Sticking a notecard in > the item's contents is not a reliable method since it can simply be > deleted, or in the case of an Imprudence type xml import/export, lost even > unintentionally. > > Until the server/viewer schema supports the preservation of explicit > licensing options for more than the originating grid (the most popular > suggestion seems to be adding an "exportable" checkbox to the existing > C/M/T scheme), I'm afraid we'll continue to be stuck in this murky state > where no one is entirely sure of the provenance of any item except for the > items they have created themselves, and no one really knows which items are > licensed for copy to other grids and which aren't. > > It's an unhappy state of affairs for everyone, right now, IMO. > > I agree with you about the unhappy state for everyone, and IMO it needs to be resolved if opensim wants to progress, MyInventory is not intended to be a rip tool and I will implement what features it takes to prevent MyInventory from being abused, but at the sametime, users need better tools for managing their inventories in an open grid environment. - Chris/Fleep > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Mike Chase < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Actually, as the creator of an item I own it. Not the “user”. That’s >> clear because I get to set the permissions under which the next “owner” or >> licensee can use it. When someone acquires an digital asset I created they >> get a license to use it. The value of the creation itself usually far >> exceeds what someone pays for it. I only create in grids I trust because >> the grid operator must defend my rights via a DMCA process. So no a “user” >> doesn’t have rights to copy items in inventory they “own”. Because >> ownership of digital assets doesn’t transfer. Only a license to use them >> for a purpose.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> So in short I think some of your thinking about users “rights” is >> somewhat flawed. That doesn’t meant there aren’t protocols to do what you >> want to do. But yeah, I think providing such a tool is asking to get >> sued. And it probably damages the reputation of OpenSim as serious software >> for serving digital assets. That’s a shame because there are a number of >> closed grids trying to actually correct that assumption by providing a more >> secure environment for content creators to operate in. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Just my 2 cents. Do what you will with it**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Mike**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Snowcrash Short >> *Sent:* Thursday, November 15, 2012 7:51 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [Opensim-users] Announcement of inventory tool >> (MyInventory), mostly of interest to grid operators/grid nauts**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Hi**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Before this gets out of hand, let me clarify, this is not a backup >> tool, at least no per se, one of the features is the ability to backup >> content from an existing account (a backup which is governed by a policy). >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> The primary goal of the project is to move the inventory and the assets >> to their rightful users and to empower the users to use the assets as they >> want - within legal limits.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> In an ideal world - except for special cases, the inventory and the >> assets backing the inventory is controlled by the user, and that is the >> goal of the project, to bring the inventory under the control of the user. >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> To this purpose it currently has two input streams supporting it (one >> more is planned), the first is client side access to .iar files, the second >> is download from the users existing inventory, to the extent allowed by law >> and agreements made between the user and grid operators.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Knowing that only a few of the grid operators using Open Sim has policies >> in place, this email serves as an invitation to make these policies public, >> and to implement - to the extent possible - these policies in MyInventory. >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> The question of attribution is only relevant when the assets are being >> distributed, MyInventory has currently no functionality for distribution. >> The as yet unfinished and only hinted at third input stream deals with >> distribution. The current implementation does not distribute any data, it >> only grants a user simpler way access to the assets the user has rightfully >> access to.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Best regards**** >> >> Snowcrash**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Opensim-users mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Opensim-users mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users >
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