On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:52 PM, Melanie <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Chris, > > your grid and others like it are not where the concerns are. It is > very cumbersome to qualify each and every statement to apply only to > commercial/closed grids or commercial/copyrighted items when all > readers are aware that that case is the one being discussed. > I for one isn't aware of that, I have been talking from a broader view than simply that of Avination and similar grids. > > This tool poses no threat to open grids and CC licensed content. > > - Melanie > > On 19/11/2012 23:37, Fleep Tuque wrote: > > I feel compelled to clarify that while some grids have a Terms of Service > > that forbids transfer of content off grid by anyone but the creator, that > > is certainly not the case for all grids. I do not think I am the only > one, > > in fact, I'd guess most small, personal use grids do not have a TOS, or, > > even if they do, most HG connected grids I have visited have a freebie > area > > where they explicitly have items for visitors that are clearly intended > to > > be taken off grid. > > > > So making the statement "Transfer off the grid is not allowed" is simply > > not true. Transfer off of SOME grids is not allowed. Some (my guess is > > many) grids DO allow it. I think what is unusual about FleepGrid as a > use > > case is not that I allow transfer off grid, but that everything on my > grid > > is CC licensed. My guess is most typical small grids allow some but not > > all items to be transfered off grid. But either way, it cannot be said > > that transfering items off of grids is universally forbidden. Commercial > > and closed grids forbid it. Many personal, open, or HG connected grids > do > > not. > > > > I think it's important to keep mentioning the different use cases of > small, > > personal, independent grids and not just have everyone keep assuming and > > defaulting to the use cases of the large, commercial, or closed grids. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > - Chris/Fleep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Melanie <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> On 19/11/2012 22:17, Snowcrash Short wrote: > >> >> If the items belong to the user. Purchased items do not belong tot > >> >> he user. They belong to the creator and continue to belong to the > >> >> creator, being licensed only for use on the one grid where they were > >> >> purchased (licensed). Allowing these items to travel is called > >> >> "copyright infringement", or, more often, "theft." > >> >> > >> > Whether this is theft or not really depends on how you define the term > >> > "distribution". Unfortunately I have not seen a single consistent > >> > definition of this term used, neither in the practical world nor in > the > >> > legislation governing ip rights, especially in the context of the > >> internet. > >> > > >> > >> It's not about distribution. That is a whole other kettle of fish. > >> > >> > Whether copying an item I have licensed but not created from the > personal > >> > inventory of one of my accounts to another is distribution, or merely > >> > moving from one personal storage location to another is very much at > an > >> > open question which I doubt has no clear answer in any country. > >> > >> Transfer from one account to another on the same grid is governed by > >> the "no copy" permission. Transfer off the grid is not allowed. It > >> really is that simple but I'm really getting the impression that you > >> don't want to accept that. I understand you'd like reality to be > >> different and you'd like users to actually own their inventory > >> outright but that s simply not the case. Some TOS restrict items to > >> one grid only and don't allow download of items you have not > >> yourself created. If you download something you acquired from > >> someone else in one of those grids, it is theft. No matter what the > >> purpose of the download is. > >> > >> - Melanie > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Opensim-users mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Opensim-users mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users > _______________________________________________ > Opensim-users mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users >
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