If the previous version of OpenSim worked with the version of Mono that the latest Dev Master doesn't, then I think it's incumbent upon the the OpenSim devs to figure out what they are doing differently now, that causes it to no longer work, and to at least consider doing it they way they had previously, that worked.
-ste (smxy/Shaun Emerald ) Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 26, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Tom Frost <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello Thomas, > > While i vehemently agree that being able to run linux opensim servers is very > much desired, you are aware that 0.9.0.0 is still an unreleased version of > opensim, right? > > With opensim as a whole being classified as 'alpha' unreleased versions are > even more experimental than an alpha release. > > Mono itself isn't the most stable platform either. I can't run opensim on any > mono version available onfreebsd for example. > > Nor can i use the wifi on my new laptop with any of the current 'stable' > branches of the linux kernel. > > This is the ecosystem of open source. Complex constellations of various > versions of incompatible software maintained by lots of different teams. And > when something breaks, it obviously always is the other project's fault. > > I couldn't run opensim (an actually releases version) on my linux box a few > months ago. Turned out a kernel upgrade broke something. Was it the kernel? > Was it ubuntu's modifications to the kernel? Was it mono? Was it opensim? I > don't know but something was fixed and without updating opensim i can now run > it on the latest linux kernel and mono version that is default on my distro. > > The bottom line is: if no one cares enough about the isdue to do the work of > debugging and finding out whic project is yo blame, it won't get done no > matter how much you complain. > > No-one gives a rats ass about me not being able to use the wifi under linux > on my new laptop. So unless i want to go in and debug this myself i just need > to find a workaround. Get a usb wifi dongle that is supported for example. > > And if no one cares about not being able to run opensim on freebsd, i either > fix it (wouldn't know where to start) or find a work-around. Obviously, when > the workaround (running opensim on linux) fails to work as well and i don't > care enough to fix it myself, i will shrug, exit the opensim stage and move > on to one of the new and hip platforms. > > Anyway, i do think there are enough people to care about opensim on linux to > prevent that fron becoming a reality. I'm confident that when distro's start > installing 4.x versions of mono by default, issues will be fixed. But > supporting all the variants of mono that are out there now, and behave > differently on various major fronts, it's expected that the priority is to > have opensim work well with common versions of mono. > > Rather lengthy post, don't know how that happened :) > > Cheers, > > Tom > >> On 26 November 2015 17:53:21 CET, Thomas Ringate <[email protected]> wrote: >> Thanks for the information. I am running the same new version 4.2.1 (Stable >> 4.2.1.102/6dd2d0d Thu Nov 12 04:43:41 EST 2015) of mono. >> >> I am going to put up with the shutdown issue until they really know it is >> mono and someone who knows what is not working can report it to the mono >> team. >> >> Dropping back to a rather old release of mono as the opensim solution really >> isn’t a great resolution in my mind unless the opensim developers have >> identified what opensim is doing that is a legal operation and mono is not >> handling it correctly. >> >> Opensim “OSgrid 0.8.3.0 (Dev) 41b2855: 2015-10-21” worked just fine on this >> release of mono. Obviously opensim changed something that mono can not >> handle. Looking for a version of mono that works rather than understanding >> why the current version of mono does not work with the new release of >> opensim isn’t the right solution, unless the problem is reported to the mono >> team so it can be fixed. >> >> If this is the new approach to fixing issues with opensim, I do not think it >> will be long before the only os that opensim will run on will be “windows >> with .net” and those of us who are using Linux with mono will be left in the >> dust. >> >> I run my development standalone on my windows desktop machine and the >> current version of opensim works just fine there like others have reported. >> I need it to work on the 17 instances of opensim I run on three Linux >> servers as well. >> >> One should keep in mind neither windows or .net are open source, yet opensim >> is open source. mono is open source, developers should honor their >> commitment to open source compatibility with the courtesy of letting the >> mono team know they have an issue so it can be fixed. >> >> >> From: AJLDuarte >> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:11 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] ReleaseOSgrid 0.9.0.0 (Dev) 5e4b166: >> 2015-11-23shutdown problems >> >> Hi >> Similar issue was already reported, and found to be related >> to mono >> Check http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 >> regards >> >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Han Held >> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 03:59 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] ReleaseOSgrid 0.9.0.0 (Dev) 5e4b166: 2015-11-23 >> shutdown problems >> >> More likely than not, it's a mono problem. I've encountered that >> sporadically over the years. What is your os (vendor, version, 32 bit or 64 >> bit) and what's the output of mono --version ? >> >> On 11/25/15 1:39 PM, Thomas Ringate wrote: >> Anyone else having a problem with shutting down a simulator since upgrading >> to release OSgrid 0.9.0.0 (Dev) 5e4b166: 2015-11-23? >> >> I can only shut down the simulator by using a Linux “kill” command. The >> opensim “quit” command no longer works. It goes to the point you get the >> message “Exiting...” and then hangs forever. >> >> The simulators appear to be running fine, but kind of a nuisance not to be >> able to use normal commands to shut them down. >> >> They are running in a “screen” terminal window. >> >> Here is the log of a shutdown immediately after launching a region. >> >> 2015-11-25 17:18:29,952 INFO (1) - OpenSim.Framework.Servers.ServerBase >> [SERVER BASE]: Running shutdown_commands.txt >> 2015-11-25 17:18:29,978 INFO (1) - OpenSim.Framework.Servers.ServerBase >> [SERVER BASE]: Running 'backup' >> 2015-11-25 17:18:33,925 INFO (1) - OpenSim.OpenSimBase [SHUTDOWN]: Closing >> all threads >> 2015-11-25 17:18:33,926 INFO (1) - OpenSim.OpenSimBase [SHUTDOWN]: Killing >> listener thread >> 2015-11-25 17:18:33,926 INFO (1) - OpenSim.OpenSimBase [SHUTDOWN]: Killing >> clients >> 2015-11-25 17:18:33,926 INFO (1) - OpenSim.OpenSimBase [SHUTDOWN]: Closing >> console and terminating >> 2015-11-25 17:18:33,927 INFO (1) - OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.Scene >> [SCENE]: Closing down the single simulator: Sanctuary >> 2015-11-25 17:18:34,148 DEBUG (Maintenance (Sanctuary)) - >> OpenSim.Framework.Monitoring.Watchdog [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread >> Maintenance (Sanctuary), ID 79 >> 2015-11-25 17:18:34,428 DEBUG (1) - OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.Scene >> [SCENE]: TriggerSceneShuttingDown >> 2015-11-25 17:18:34,428 INFO (1) - >> OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.EventManager [EVENT MANAGER]: >> TriggerSceneShuttingDown done >> 2015-11-25 17:18:34,429 DEBUG (1) - OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.Scene >> [SCENE]: Persisting changed objects >> 2015-11-25 17:18:34,588 DEBUG (1) - OpenSim.Services.GridService.GridService >> [GRID SERVICE]: Deregistering region Sanctuary >> (3b15c050-1fe4-11df-8a39-0800200c9a66) at 10054-9986 >> 2015-11-25 17:18:34,909 DEBUG (1) - OpenSim.OpenSimBase [SHUTDOWN]: Shutting >> down region Sanctuary >> 2015-11-25 17:18:35,678 DEBUG (1) - >> OpenSim.Region.OptionalModules.Avatar.Voice.VivoxVoice.VivoxVoiceModule >> [VivoxVoice]: region Sanctuary: uuid 3b15c050-1fe4-11df-8a39-0800200c9a66: >> located directory id 4439471 >> 2015-11-25 17:18:35,773 DEBUG (Threadpool worker) - >> OpenSim.Framework.Monitoring.Watchdog [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread >> Heartbeat-(Sanctuary), ID 75 >> 2015-11-25 17:18:35,774 ERROR (Threadpool worker) - OpenSim.OpenSim >> [WATCHDOG]: Timeout detected for thread "Heartbeat-(Sanctuary)". >> ThreadState=Stopped. Last tick was 1916ms ago. >> 2015-11-25 17:18:36,025 INFO (1) - >> OpenSim.Region.DataSnapshot.DataSnapshotManager [DATASNAPSHOT]: Region >> Sanctuary is being removed, removing from indexing >> 2015-11-25 17:18:36,031 INFO (1) - >> OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.XEngine.XEngine [XEngine]: Shutting down 487 >> scripts in Sanctuary >> 2015-11-25 17:18:36,208 INFO (1) - >> OpenSim.Region.ClientStack.LindenUDP.LLUDPServer [LLUDPSERVER]: Shutting >> down the LLUDP server for Sanctuary >> 2015-11-25 17:18:36,208 DEBUG (1) - OpenMetaverse.OpenSimUDPBase [UDPBASE]: >> Stopping outbound UDP loop >> 2015-11-25 17:18:36,209 DEBUG (1) - OpenMetaverse.OpenSimUDPBase [UDPBASE]: >> Stopping inbound UDP loop >> 2015-11-25 17:18:36,210 DEBUG (Outgoing Packets (Sanctuary)) - >> OpenSim.Framework.Monitoring.Watchdog [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread Outgoing >> Packets (Sanctuary), ID 59 >> 2015-11-25 17:18:36,223 DEBUG (1) - OpenSim.Framework.Monitoring.Watchdog >> [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread InventoryWorkerThread0, ID 66 >> 2015-11-25 17:18:36,223 DEBUG (1) - OpenSim.Framework.Monitoring.Watchdog >> [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread InventoryWorkerThread1, ID 67 >> 2015-11-25 17:18:36,231 DEBUG (1) - OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.Scene >> [SCENE]: Dispose Physics >> 2015-11-25 17:18:36,234 DEBUG (bulletunmanaged (Sanctuary)) - >> OpenSim.Framework.Monitoring.Watchdog [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread >> bulletunmanaged (Sanctuary), ID 57 >> 2015-11-25 17:18:36,246 DEBUG (Incoming Packets (Sanctuary)) - >> OpenSim.Framework.Monitoring.Watchdog [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread Incoming >> Packets (Sanctuary), ID 58 >> 2015-11-25 17:18:36,391 INFO (1) - >> OpenSim.Region.OptionalModules.Avatar.XmlRpcGroups.SimianGroupsServicesConnectorModule >> [SIMIAN-GROUPS-CONNECTOR]: Closing SimianGroupsServicesConnector >> 2015-11-25 17:18:36,392 DEBUG (1) - >> OpenSim.Region.OptionalModules.Avatar.XmlRpcGroups.XmlRpcGroupsServicesConnectorModule >> [XMLRPC-GROUPS-CONNECTOR]: Closing XmlRpcGroupsServicesConnector >> 2015-11-25 17:18:36,798 INFO (1) - >> OpenSim.Region.DataSnapshot.DataSnapshotManager [DATASNAPSHOT]: data service >> http://search.osgrid.org/register.php notified. Secret: >> 38384e09-f875-4b31-a5a0-dccc4566ac1d >> 2015-11-25 17:18:36,801 INFO (1) - >> OpenSim.Framework.Servers.BaseOpenSimServer [SHUTDOWN]: Shutdown processing >> on main thread complete. 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