Garrett D'Amore wrote: > Jyri Virkki wrote: >> Garrett D'Amore wrote: >> >>> Ah, but the same logic is used to cite "inclusion" of other FOSS >>> packages. For example, unison does not ship in the default Ubuntu >>> distribution, but is part of "Universe" (which is fairly similar to >>> the FreeBSD ports collection.) >>> >>> I wonder how much of what we are including in our "base" is stuff >>> that really belongs in a readily accessible network repository. >> >> As we evolve away from consolidations and WOS it's important to be >> clear with terminology. Not sure what you mean by 'default >> distribution'. Plenty of Sun's very own packages are not going to be >> on the LiveCD (possibly the most obvious interpretation of 'default >> distribution') and live only on a readily accessible network >> repository to be installed at will, or not. >> > > Right now, though, the only metric we have is the "Everything Plus OEM" > installation in OEM. That is, effectively, the "default install" for > Solaris (and OpenSolaris) customers today. (One could argue that the > "Developer" meta cluster fills this role instead. I won't debate the > matter one way or another...) > > Once we have a network repo, and a smaller LiveCD (with hopefully more > care thought put into what packages are part of the LiveCD) a lot of my > objections to past FOSS cases will simply vanish. (I'm sure "unzoo" is > useful to someone somewhere, and I don't want to deny him access to it. > I just don't want to saddle everyone else with baggage that serves only > a tiny minority of users, and which fails to meet certain minimum > architectural and possibly quality -- or at least quality assurance -- > standards.)
Perhaps you could simply accept that we're going to have a networked repository, rather than raising the same pointless issue on every FOSS case that comes up. We simply cannot wait to begin integrating more FOSS into Nevada until we switch packaging systems. I don't see what your objections are, actually. Are you saving space on the DVD for inclusions you see as more valuable? As has been pointed out before, your perception of FOSS as inherently lower quality is a stereotype, and ignores the origin and status of much of the software Sun ships. The majority of the software in Solaris is Open Source, and some of our closed source has not been enhanced in years. The next version of Solaris will ship w/ a networked repository, and no consistent definition of "default" install. With an ever increasing set of available packages, very few people will want to "install everything"; in fact, we anticipate providing no option to do so. - Bart -- Bart Smaalders Solaris Kernel Performance barts at cyber.eng.sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/barts "You will contribute more with mercurial than with thunderbird."
