On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Glynn Foster wrote:
> Hey Mark,
>
> On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 00:24 -0500, Mark Sweeney wrote:
> > Actually, I am convinced about the advantages of open source
> > development, it was one of the primary reasons I joined Sun; I thought
> > the fact that my work would be released would be cool. I'm looking
> > forward to community submissions once we have something going, that's
> > why I am trying to set up a community!!! :) The CIFS dev team has
> > done a lot of work and once we get the base functionality out and
> > published as open source, any work submitted to build the advanced
> > features would be greatly appreciated. I'll gladly volunteer to
> > mentor a team of interested developers if they want to add a certain
> > feature.
>
> Awesome, thanks heaps for this.
>
> > I'm not sure what you mean by an 'open development process.' If
> > anyone in the OpenSolaris community wants to build something they can
> > choose their team and how best to manage it, and we have several major
> > open source contributors involved in this project, (I have mentioned
> > Boris Popov at the top of this thread), it's just that we are doing
> > the solaris kernel integration work in house. I'd like to understand
> > what you mean, however, so if you can post something or point me to a
> > document online, that'd be much appreciated.
>
> I think this has already been summarized well by Karyn, so I won't
> really labour the point. I'm sure you're aware as everyone else that
> there's 100's of really keen and interested people out there in the
> projects that you're proposing and the community you're creating. I'd
> just love to see us maximize that as much as possible. Creating the
> excitement much like the BrandZ guys have done by releasing an early set
> of code for people to build, install and test has the best chances of
> encouraging people to contribute further down the line.
>
> > In terms of requiring a senior developer, planning to complete a
> > project requires completing certain tasks and being staffed to match
> > up the personnel's skills with the task difficulty. The design and
> > code work we are doing is quite a complex kernel to kernel port and
> > would require someone senior.
>
> I've had some very humbling experiences within the GNOME community - to
> the extent that I admit there are really gifted 12 year olds in the
> community that can code circles around me, immediately grok the
> technology and have some really interesting ideas of where to go. Of
> course, you come across the opposite too :)
>
> Experience helps, but sometimes it's not the be all and end all..
>
> > I agree that community building/development is part of yearly
> > performance goals and metrics. It's part of yours too, and I'm part
> > of the OpenSolaris community. You probably don't realize this, but
> > personal attacks on someone's character are not encouraged on these
> > forums, that is defamatory, and contrary to the "Terms of Use" clause
> > 3. If you have an issue with someone's attitude or want to insinuate
> > secondary motives I would recommend contacting the person via email to
> > helpfully handle or escalating to forum moderators or sun management.
>
> If I've come across as defamatory, I apologise. That wasn't the
> intention of the mail. I'm just passionate about all this stuff, and
Reading Glynns original comments and Marks response, the impression I got
was that Marks reaction, and characterization of Glynns comments as a
"personal attack", was over the top. Glynn simply stated his impressions
and perceptions - there was no sign of a personal attack or any other
"insinuations" - nor was there ever a need for any degree of "moderation"
or intervention.
If you want to work and survive in an Open Source development environment,
you need to develope a thick skin. And remember that you're not dealing
with reality - you're dealing with other peoples' perceptions (or reality).
And there is no reason why they should not state or share their
perceptions.
You can expect to be personally attacked, more than once, while
participating in the Open Source world. When you are, you'll recognize it
immediately - because the email will be full of 4 lettered words and
references to your partentage and anything else that will solicit an
immeditate reaction.
If you'd like to see this for yourself, simply follow a contentious thread
on almost *any* open source project. This'll help you "calibrate" your
skin "thickness"! :)
> like many others, I want OpenSolaris to succeed and was concerned about
> some of the perceptions that you had for community development. I think
> having open discussion like this is useful though - it really highlights
> the diverse community that we've created, the different viewpoints we
> all have and yet, we're all pretty focused on much the same set of
> goals.
>
> I'm just hugely aware of the number of open source projects that Sun has
> started that really haven't been traditionally 'Open Source', where
> we've dumped the code over the wall, and expected the community to clean
> up the mess. We have this ball and chain reputation to carry around. I'm
> sure there's heaps of people out there monitoring the project to see if
> it will go the same way. Every indication I've seen tells me it won't ;)
>
> Best of luck with the CIFS community - I'm sure it'll be great.
Likewise.
Regards,
Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT
OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005
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