On 6/2/07, Joseph Kowalski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I cut the distribution down, but probably not enough. Others please feel free to cut even more. Perhaps the first mail should have gone to "announce" and follow-ups to "approach". I can't tell Brian's intent. Brian sent me private mail asking why I was against this. If he's unclear, I think others are unclear, hence this clarification. I didn't say OSH was a good or bad thing. At the moment, I'm neither for it or against it.
Ah... I just said that more than 1/2 of the justifications appear unrelated to
OSH. They can either happen or not independent of OSH existing. Waiting to work on the important ones in this list because of a mis-conception that OSH must happen first would be a very bad thing. I don't think anyone should be selling OSH as the cure for cancer. The first reason listed is a big one. In my mind, it is 99.44% of any reason for doing this. In all honesty, it may be a big enough reason by itself.
If this is reason enough, why does it need to be limited to this? #2 is probably important to a lot of folk. Its just not important to
me. I'm a capitalist, not a "free as in speech" fanatic. No judgment implied. Few, if any, of the other issues require OSH to allow them to be addressed. A couple of them might be easier in an OSH context. None of these seemed important (IMHO).
OpenSolaris was in my opinion a name that may have served a great marketing purpose at the time. (Not to mention commit Sun to open source in a pretty public way) Currently it is really really confusing. (Joseph you remember my complete bafflement when I came into the community. Do we really want to have this discussion when even a new participant comes in? (It really is non obvious to outsiders, I think this is a point that is really being completely underestimated by those involved in the process). At least I could get up to speed because I am a Solaris sysadmin. We really need to be targeting the guys who used to code SunOS and then moved on to hacking BSD and then Linux. It's this last group though that we really need to convince. I probably do have a bias that I think the cost of producing a distro (even
an unsupported one) is higher than I think many believe. That predisposes me to think at the moment there are better things to work on - like replacing those nasty "closed" bits, some of which has to happen before OSH can happen. That is a predisposition as to "when", not "if". At the moment, I really am neutral on "if". Clear? - jek3
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