On 8/4/07, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/4/07, Kaiwai Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 23:08 -0700, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy wrote: > > > My post was in a certain manner of expression. On rapid reading, > > > ux-admin and other readers thought that i did not understand the > > > basics of how elaborate the O/S is or that I did not understand the > > > purpose for built in measures such as the time taken to shut down the > > > system. > > > > > > The post was on the task of taking Solaris to the home segment as more > > > elaborately addressed in > > > http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=36522&tstart=0 > > > > > > What I wrote here was written wearing a non-technical user's shoes, so > > > my post was to present, DELIBERATELY, uneducated questions to the > > > experts in the forum. > > > > > > ux-admin wrote about the user also having to be the root in a single > > > board computer, I am planning to sell Solaris to a user who would > > > blink if the terminal screen pops up. No, he does not want to be the > > > root, and he becomes the root, he would do something like run an fsck > > > and say yes when he has to say, and say no when he has to say yes and > > > end up wiping out the hard disk for a trivial problem. I don't want > > > the standalone user to get anywhere near the terminal, but he needs to > > > have access to the functionality of all ( and only those ) > > > applications that he needs. > > > > > > You went on to say that UNIX is a multi user system etc.. Yes I know > > > how elaborate Solaris is, I know that each function and limitation has > > > a purpose and that Solaris is amazing in the context of a multiuser > > > system. I wouldn't make a multiuser system any easier, nor would I > > > relax the controls in any manner, in fact I would still harden Solaris > > > in a multi user, mission critical setting. > > > > > > Again the post is that of a non-technical, completely non-technical, > > > user thinking aloud. > > > > And if he or she is a 'completely non-technical person' he or she > > wouldn't even be talking about what operating system is being used. He > > or she wouldn't even be contemplating purchasing a Solaris machine. > > > > > > If you wish to use Solaris effectively, you will have to do some > > > reading. > > > > > > No, the user that I have in mind doesn't care to read. > > > > And if that is the case, that said user wouldn't even be considering > > moving from Windows. They would be ignorantly content with what they > > have. > > > > > >Do you even care to understand? > > > > > > No, the user doesn't care to understand. He wants it to be easy, he > > > wants it to work. He is that uncooperative, and he is that irrational, > > > and he is the Boss. > > > > So why even try to sell to a customer who will cost more than the money > > he will actually bring in, in regards to profits? > > > > > >For a thing so powerful, complexity is inherent; and while some > > > things can be simplified, some level of understanding will be > > > required. > > > > > > Waynel, I have answered you as well. Thank you for the commands to > > > shut down immediately. I will go ahead and make a little button and > > > put in the launch menu, or modify the log in button in the user's > > > interface to say include shut down. I knew that such possibilities > > > exist within Solaris, the post is about bringing such ease to the > > > fore, in order to come up with a single user's computer for someone > > > "who doesn't care to understand, who wouldn't read" > > > > > > Ian, I am more talking about Solaris 10, Version 11/06, but I have > > > also been exposed to more advanced developer versions. The shut down > > > feature is not the only difficulty that I am talking about. I am > > > talking about identifying such "irritants" for the common man, who is > > > the Master by virtue of the fact that he has bought a $500 machine > > > with Solaris. > > > > Why would you be even selling a desktop aimed at a user with Solaris 10 > > 11/06? why don't you want till Indiana, which is actually geared to that > > market along with support infrastructure by way of telephone and > > software updates. > > No, I have not decided on Solaris 10 11/16. I have also been exposed > to the most recent developer editions. Indiana sounds promising. > > > > > Che, the reference to the user phoning up the admin to shut down the > > > system, is just an expression, a manner of expressing how > > > non-technical he could be. In a single user environment, there is no > > > system administrator, so the question of the system admin being > > > comptent or incompetent does not arise. It should be decided at the > > > installation level, before the computer reaches his home. > > > > > > That is where the challenge is. If GM wanted you to master the complex > > > aspects of the valve dynamics and transmission mechanism before it > > > qualified you to buy a car, how many cars would it have sold so far ? > > > > No, but before you drive a car you read, take pratical driving leasons > > then you sit a test to get your licence. You just don't simply go out, > > purchase a car and drive. > > Most of those who read and post in this forum are technical people, > who are by nature disciplined individuals. You have become what you > are by virtue of the fact that there has been a certain upbringing in > your lives, there has been discipline, you are guys who read the > manuals. But outside your arena are people, who are the ones who buy > what you create, who are quite unlike you. People who go indepth on > consumer behaviour and do a lot of research on consumers would better > understand the attitude that I have described. > > > > > > And to Open Solaris: Complexity is your business, none of my business. > > > I, as a user, don't care. I don't want to read. Now, give me a solaris > > > computer, easy. > > > > Why should I gove you a solaris computer that is easy; if you choose not > > to read then you, by your lack of action are saying that you're content > > with ignorance and content with Windows (or what ever you're running). > > > > I repeat: > Most of those who read and post in this forum are technical people, > who are by nature disciplined individuals. You have become what you > are by virtue of the fact that there has been a certain upbringing in > your lives, there has been discipline, you are guys who read the > manuals. But outside your arena are people, who are the ones who buy > what you create, who are quite unlike you. People who go indepth on > consumer behaviour and do a lot of research on consumers would better > understand the attitude that I have described. > > > ( And Mathew, that is not me who is so rude, it is the person I am > going to sell a Solaris computer that I am building ) > > > Matthew > > > > > _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
