Sorry, seems I have to correct myself. Mr. Brandon Husbands seems to be
Dimentox Travanti. Creator of the "Toxic Viewer". A project that violates GPL
by not providing sources as well as distributing non-redistributable components
such as the Vivox voice packages.
This adds very well to your credibility Mr. Brandon Husbands :).
----- Original Message -----
From: Boy Lane
To: Brandon Husbands ; Discrete Dreamscape
Cc: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Viewer blacklist to replace the TPV
I don't know who you are Mr. Brandon Husbands, you are certainly not a viewer
developer but a fly-by-night who want's to add some oil to the drama fire. It
does not really matter.
I stated facts here, not flames.
Modularsytems is a "company" with a legal status we dont't know, created and
owned by a person with permanently banned accounts due to ToS violations.
Modularsystems is registered as this entity in the viewer directory.
Modularsystems develops and uses malicious viewers, namely "Onyx", with
several other malicious projects done by key developers such as Fractured,
Phox, Skills or Cryo. All who had their accounts permanently banned for ToS
violations.
I asked a legitimate question to LL, to repeat it once again: How can for
repeated ToS violations permanently banned people just circumvent that ban by
creating new accounts as many of the Emerald developers did? Is it money spent
for SL that counts rather than ToS?
As you haven't read my posting, rather add irrelevant accusations in your own
posting, Mr. Brandon Husband, that are supposedly to confuse the reader and
discredit legitimate questions, lI can only conclude you are the troll here.
Boy
----- Original Message -----
From: Brandon Husbands
To: Discrete Dreamscape
Cc: Boy Lane ; opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Viewer blacklist to replace the TPV
I do not add much to the list.. But I will say... Mr lane, what ever your
problem is with Emerald... You should probably let it go. This blatant flaming
and trolling does not help the open source community. Your actions and flames
are actually a hindrance to the community as a whole. You see i say community
as we typically work together to make things better etc.
It Seems you mostly wish to sabotage and wreck havoc. It is counter
productive and plain rude.
SO i must request... Either take this offline directloy with the people you
have a problem with or quit posting this crap as I do not want to have to read
it. So as they say either *** or get off the pot.... So either become a active
positive contributing member of this community or go away. I am quite fed up
with the Trolls and will no longer personally tolerate it. So please go stroke
your ego else where and lets get back to discussing code and things that
actually matter to us besides your grievance against emerald.
Dim.
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Discrete Dreamscape
<discrete.dreamsc...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'd like to remark that the information you found is just the data of the
ModularSystems website, and all of the other viewer directory listings look
about the same as Emerald's. The actual real-life name(s) of people involved
aren't required to be publicly viewable, but Linden Lab does have them. Also,
consider the possibility that .sl was chosen as a domain because it could be an
abbreviation for SecondLife. Cute, eh?
I seriously doubt anyone with malicious intent is going to bother trying
to register their viewer in the directory.
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Boy Lane <boy.l...@yahoo.com> wrote:
We certainly should follow the bright example of Emerald /
Modularsystems,
where you Discrete are a member of. A pseudo company set up and owned
by known banned griefer JCool aka who revived his banned account(s)
under
the names of Fractured Crystal/Fractured Modularsystems.
Back to their registration. JCool set up Modularsystems. A mailbox
company
with the following contact details:
http://modularsystems.sl/
P.O. Box 5702
West Columbia, South Carolina 29171-5702
United States
administra...@modularsystems.sl
That is an untraceable anonymized entity without any name attached to
it and
unknown legal status, registered with a domain name in Sierra Leone, a
country
that does not even have a WHOIS.
This information was used to register and self-certify Emerald in the
Viewer
Directory.
As I as a legally uniformed hobby programmer without commercial
interest can
evaluate this situation and validity of the Emerald listing, it is
meant to
circumvent
any means of the viewer directory to hold a developer accountable for
their
viewers. It is also meant to avoid any possible litigation from LL in
case
indeed
some malicious code may be found in their viewer(s). Besides Emerald,
Modularsystems
also develops and uses a malicious viewer named "Onyx" that is in clear
violation of
ToS/TPV.
So no, Discrete, all these things completely contradict your argument.
As
shown a
listing in Lindens viewer directory doesn't add a single piece of
safety or
security. To
look for a legitimate viewer the Alternate Viewer list in the community
edited SL Wiki
is a better place to, for the simple reason malicious clients may not
easily
slip in as
this is possible with self-certification. A blacklist is a good thing
and
could at least
complement Viewer Directory and Alternate Viewers list. But of course it
would
include most of the malicious viewer from the key developers behind
Modularsystems
which obviously you try to avoid.
Additional question to Linden Lab: How can for repeated ToS violations
permanently
banned people just circumvent that ban by creating new accounts as many
of
the
Emerald developers did? Is it money spent for SL that counts rather than
ToS?
Boy
----- Original Message ----- > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:39:16 -0400
> From: Discrete Dreamscape <discrete.dreamsc...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Viewer blacklist to replace the TPV
> directory ?
> To: Tigro Spottystripes <tigrospottystri...@gmail.com>
> Cc: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com
> Message-ID:
> <g2nc38195a91004291339p41f404edgfe05a593c813c...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> This discussion seems to have been created with misleading intentions.
>
> Because some TPV creators don't want to reveal any personal
information
> about themselves, they can't be posted on the TPV directory, and
because
> of
> this, it's understandable they might view the directory as unfair.
But,
> this
> doesn't strike me as a valid reason to criticize the list.
>
> It's certainly valid to say that the viewers on the list are not
> absolutely
> trustworthy unless a full code audit is done, but even then, do you
really
> know that what's in the code is the same as what's in the binary?
Isn't
> there a limit to what LL can do, given a lack of resources to perform
such
> audits, especially when what you download requires trust that it's the
> same
> as what they've audited?
>
> But really, trust is supposed to be provided by the fact that the
viewer
> has
> indeed registered using real-life contact information, because who
would
> give such a thing knowing they could be held liable if they indeed
decided
> to include malicious code? In general, there is no way to certify
purity
> here, you can only provide a level of trust as a guideline. You can't
rely
> on babysitting the users, because LL isn't going to compile every
third
> party's code and release the binaries themselves.
>
> In this regard, you may begin to argue that indeed, a blacklist would
> better
> serve users. I argue that this is exactly the opposite. You may be
able to
> pick out which viewers are explicitly untrusted, but you make no
> statements
> about the trustworthiness of any others. In this situation, a user is
left
> to choose between either a viewer which is in the grey about its
status,
> or
> an official Linden viewer. This point is key, as far less warranty is
> provided for users that they won't be banned for using a third party
> viewer.
> I suspect that in this case, many would simply give up and use the
> official
> client rather than risk their business, etc.
>
> If you want to provide a system where users can trust the clients they
> use,
> it seems like our current one is decent enough. In any case, a
blacklist
> doesn't appear to be any safer.
>
> Discrete
>
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