it appears to go away if I put ssltap inbetween as per https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301006, so after all, the problem might be one of test setup with firefox (now I am on cygwin OpenSSL 0.9.8 05 Jul 2005) ______________________________________________________________________ OpenSSL Project http://www.openssl.org Development Mailing List openssl-dev@openssl.org Automated List Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED]