On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Stephen Henson via RT <[email protected]> wrote:
> I had a quick look and I think the problem is that it is an indirect CRL which
> can cover multiple CAs and that in the absence of other information it is
> defaulting to the CRL issuer name for CRL entries rather than the CA name. As 
> a
> result it can't find any entries for CA name and so doesn't return revoked. By
> using the Certificate Issuer CRL extension you can change that but OpenSSL
> doesn't currently include an option to set it in the ca utility.
Thanks for the quick response.  This definitely explains the issue.  I
completely overlooked the fact that the CRL entries were missing
issuer extensions.  Is this feature on your road map?  I'd be happy to
try implementing it if it's a generally useful feature.

> There is a rather simpler way you can achieve what I think you want. What you
> do in the CA certificate is to include keyUsage *without* the CRLSign bit set
> and then issue a certificate from that CA with the *same name* as the CA but
> with CRLSign asserted. Make sure you include SKID/AKID in the certificates and
> CRLs.
Ah, interesting.  I've managed to get this to work and included an
example below for completeness.  Am I correct in interpreting that
this is no longer an indirect CRL?  The RFC states:
"If the scope of the CRL includes one or more certificates issued by
an entity other than the CRL issuer, then it is an indirect CRL."
In this context, is 'issuer' simply issuing subject?  It doesn't seem
obvious from the RFC that this technique would work.  Do you know if
this technique is a common practice or will work in other certificate
verification implementations?

I also managed to get my original example working, which includes the
CRL distribution point extension in the certificate and the issuing
distribution point extension in the CRL (with the indirect CRL flag)
by using matching names for the CA and CRL issuer.  As you mentioned,
this relies on the fact that the default scope for a CRL entry is the
CRL issuer unless the certificate issuer extension is present.  This
seems like a slightly 'safer' CRL delegation method in that it's
explicit delegation.  However, it does rely on several extensions
which may not be supported by all implementations...

I'm still not completely sure which method I think is more
appropriate, but I guess it's good to have both options.

Thanks again for your help,
Craig

openssl verify -crl_check -extended_crl \
 -CAfile ca.pem \
 -CRLfile crl.pem \
 -untrusted crl-issuer.pem \
 happy.pem \
 revoked.pem

happy.pem: OK
revoked.pem: C = US, O = example, CN = revoked
error 23 at 0 depth lookup:certificate revoked

-- ca.pem

Certificate:
    Data:
        Version: 3 (0x2)
        Serial Number: 1 (0x1)
    Signature Algorithm: sha1WithRSAEncryption
        Issuer: C=US, O=example, CN=root
        Validity
            Not Before: Jul 30 01:13:56 2013 GMT
            Not After : Jul 28 01:13:56 2023 GMT
        Subject: C=US, O=example, CN=root
        Subject Public Key Info:
            Public Key Algorithm: rsaEncryption
                Public-Key: (1024 bit)
                Modulus:
                    00:d0:af:c9:d2:2b:a0:36:4f:e0:36:1b:dc:8d:67:
                    ae:cb:0e:f5:9b:57:33:e8:e9:cd:b3:ed:e2:0b:39:
                    ce:24:33:e3:fe:a3:ed:6f:51:1b:2b:8a:0c:6d:f9:
                    f4:7c:c2:cb:d0:6c:a2:cd:90:56:58:f1:06:15:e4:
                    44:6c:4a:f4:16:c9:f8:39:70:5c:6e:92:b3:dd:61:
                    83:1d:4d:fd:da:56:91:be:97:bb:23:fe:d1:2f:bd:
                    b4:34:56:0e:b7:61:f2:0e:c1:ed:2a:c3:ce:9a:9a:
                    92:a7:b8:92:ea:18:63:4c:ad:1c:10:0b:d4:06:24:
                    39:a6:89:5f:41:0d:de:0f:55
                Exponent: 65537 (0x10001)
        X509v3 extensions:
            X509v3 Subject Key Identifier:
                74:FD:B3:A6:26:C7:BB:DA:2C:5B:26:41:98:F9:9A:27:CC:32:CA:EF
            X509v3 Authority Key Identifier:

keyid:74:FD:B3:A6:26:C7:BB:DA:2C:5B:26:41:98:F9:9A:27:CC:32:CA:EF
                DirName:/C=US/O=example/CN=root
                serial:01

            X509v3 Key Usage: critical
                Certificate Sign
            X509v3 Basic Constraints: critical
                CA:TRUE, pathlen:0
    Signature Algorithm: sha1WithRSAEncryption
         95:6a:80:8a:98:be:2d:54:b0:ee:95:ec:fe:d3:9e:c7:87:6d:
         5c:97:48:c0:9a:ac:82:af:e9:ac:62:52:26:61:da:24:05:d6:
         ab:aa:8a:46:a5:c2:fe:a6:af:d1:a6:6b:ee:6f:76:ab:27:5f:
         4a:06:d9:9e:cb:d5:44:7e:ec:86:0b:fb:03:2f:ab:af:b9:a3:
         4e:49:59:a1:98:48:ea:1c:7d:3a:ba:c5:17:2a:d7:f7:ca:49:
         71:c7:da:9f:36:fd:67:f4:d4:51:37:2f:d7:b1:24:4a:83:05:
         fe:65:40:36:2e:25:be:07:33:15:d1:03:3c:a1:72:1c:13:fa:
         5d:9b
-----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----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-----END CERTIFICATE-----

-- crl-issuer.pem

Certificate:
    Data:
        Version: 3 (0x2)
        Serial Number: 2 (0x2)
    Signature Algorithm: sha1WithRSAEncryption
        Issuer: C=US, O=example, CN=root
        Validity
            Not Before: Jul 30 01:14:07 2013 GMT
            Not After : Jul 30 01:14:07 2015 GMT
        Subject: C=US, O=example, CN=root
        Subject Public Key Info:
            Public Key Algorithm: rsaEncryption
                Public-Key: (1024 bit)
                Modulus:
                    00:a5:5f:d9:74:f2:04:f3:61:db:09:88:c7:30:cb:
                    3e:c8:3c:05:fc:f9:88:ed:be:8a:41:3b:53:5b:5e:
                    e0:02:67:cf:c1:a7:73:57:83:4c:ec:a5:3e:74:6a:
                    a0:45:5f:39:0c:ea:f8:df:48:cc:1d:e8:af:d5:5d:
                    c6:d2:89:03:10:5b:cb:d2:0b:78:3a:62:75:ac:d5:
                    d5:8c:1f:d1:07:33:e3:de:1e:5c:d2:cd:57:ab:7e:
                    0f:78:8e:08:75:aa:95:34:b3:1e:9b:ba:03:50:f8:
                    4f:52:82:54:76:8c:55:15:55:77:eb:67:cd:ee:ba:
                    b3:c2:b4:bc:fa:ae:b7:65:73
                Exponent: 65537 (0x10001)
        X509v3 extensions:
            X509v3 Subject Key Identifier:
                27:A8:DC:67:7D:C6:F4:60:4E:1A:1B:5F:1C:9C:5D:50:05:F4:E3:72
            X509v3 Authority Key Identifier:

keyid:74:FD:B3:A6:26:C7:BB:DA:2C:5B:26:41:98:F9:9A:27:CC:32:CA:EF
                DirName:/C=US/O=example/CN=root
                serial:01

            X509v3 Basic Constraints: critical
                CA:FALSE
            X509v3 Key Usage: critical
                CRL Sign
    Signature Algorithm: sha1WithRSAEncryption
         26:b9:50:17:a7:d9:0d:25:f3:16:42:cd:85:b3:e1:c8:53:a4:
         45:df:be:ef:e4:65:32:04:8d:5c:d2:b6:59:5a:b9:83:66:23:
         e0:d8:c3:51:46:ff:4d:dc:c9:78:e6:2a:72:41:b9:63:db:07:
         24:e1:d1:e3:ff:3e:bf:7e:61:cb:ef:7e:5b:ed:14:38:0a:33:
         82:60:ec:22:4e:cb:ce:e7:a1:03:8e:98:b7:5c:7b:2e:e8:a0:
         21:d8:d0:7d:a5:17:f8:ca:34:d1:54:d2:f4:81:e2:3a:48:7b:
         29:e6:9d:52:bc:d8:00:c5:14:44:c1:5c:5d:a0:80:82:c1:83:
         d5:4f
-----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----
MIICazCCAdSgAwIBAgIBAjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADAuMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzEQ
MA4GA1UEChMHZXhhbXBsZTENMAsGA1UEAxMEcm9vdDAeFw0xMzA3MzAwMTE0MDda
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BgNVBAMTBHJvb3SCAQEwDAYDVR0TAQH/BAIwADAOBgNVHQ8BAf8EBAMCAQIwDQYJ
KoZIhvcNAQEFBQADgYEAJrlQF6fZDSXzFkLNhbPhyFOkRd++7+RlMgSNXNK2WVq5
g2Yj4NjDUUb/TdzJeOYqckG5Y9sHJOHR4/8+v35hy+9+W+0UOAozgmDsIk7Lzueh
A46Yt1x7LuigIdjQfaUX+Mo00VTS9IHiOkh7KeadUrzYAMUURMFcXaCAgsGD1U8=
-----END CERTIFICATE-----

-- happy.pem

Certificate:
    Data:
        Version: 3 (0x2)
        Serial Number: 3 (0x3)
    Signature Algorithm: sha1WithRSAEncryption
        Issuer: C=US, O=example, CN=root
        Validity
            Not Before: Jul 30 01:14:38 2013 GMT
            Not After : Jul 30 01:14:38 2015 GMT
        Subject: C=US, O=example, CN=happy
        Subject Public Key Info:
            Public Key Algorithm: rsaEncryption
                Public-Key: (1024 bit)
                Modulus:
                    00:b8:5e:4d:83:ae:1e:bc:7e:6b:66:34:b6:9a:14:
                    c1:1d:59:05:91:10:e3:17:b7:cf:2c:ac:79:c4:0b:
                    42:33:aa:28:a8:29:1c:e8:3c:6f:99:a8:c4:78:88:
                    81:9b:b6:71:45:a0:49:36:0c:59:8d:df:ad:6a:2f:
                    72:38:c9:9a:4c:f4:74:66:d5:53:aa:21:d5:ed:44:
                    a6:66:7a:3d:55:9a:90:09:59:f5:99:a9:b9:c6:ab:
                    2f:47:a8:ad:67:bd:c6:51:60:92:66:58:98:1b:b0:
                    3c:e6:d9:e5:8f:90:dd:6a:1b:fc:f3:55:7e:8c:7b:
                    e8:88:71:d1:9f:c9:29:d7:79
                Exponent: 65537 (0x10001)
        X509v3 extensions:
            X509v3 Subject Key Identifier:
                B0:08:2B:9A:CD:99:6F:B1:03:76:E4:74:4C:CC:A6:A4:9B:40:25:20
            X509v3 Authority Key Identifier:

keyid:74:FD:B3:A6:26:C7:BB:DA:2C:5B:26:41:98:F9:9A:27:CC:32:CA:EF
                DirName:/C=US/O=example/CN=root
                serial:01

            X509v3 Basic Constraints: critical
                CA:FALSE
            X509v3 Key Usage: critical
                Digital Signature
    Signature Algorithm: sha1WithRSAEncryption
         a5:ee:76:14:22:91:1f:d0:70:79:3f:1c:0f:e1:d2:2b:aa:20:
         d6:c0:3e:65:f7:47:49:fe:08:e2:b7:15:d1:da:57:71:67:3f:
         52:d6:f0:82:8b:90:04:2f:24:94:19:75:11:20:0c:ba:25:76:
         7a:af:aa:f4:fc:de:01:9c:e9:55:95:aa:6d:0f:cc:69:77:07:
         9e:ab:48:1e:42:73:b6:ff:fc:f1:f7:39:be:c0:47:13:9d:e1:
         a3:6f:0b:fa:89:5f:67:92:e6:5b:52:be:b5:1f:72:d7:23:95:
         2d:0f:ef:f1:43:5f:7b:2c:ca:e7:88:fa:af:6f:8f:c0:3a:9a:
         6e:92
-----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----
MIICbDCCAdWgAwIBAgIBAzANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADAuMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzEQ
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-----END CERTIFICATE-----

-- revoked.pem

Certificate:
    Data:
        Version: 3 (0x2)
        Serial Number: 4 (0x4)
    Signature Algorithm: sha1WithRSAEncryption
        Issuer: C=US, O=example, CN=root
        Validity
            Not Before: Jul 30 01:14:45 2013 GMT
            Not After : Jul 30 01:14:45 2015 GMT
        Subject: C=US, O=example, CN=revoked
        Subject Public Key Info:
            Public Key Algorithm: rsaEncryption
                Public-Key: (1024 bit)
                Modulus:
                    00:de:50:75:1c:86:39:83:0e:72:13:db:da:0c:35:
                    f3:78:04:4b:30:3c:8e:df:bf:ed:c9:18:af:93:cb:
                    21:0f:27:b5:ab:2c:25:86:69:87:8c:d1:c6:ce:f9:
                    04:6e:0d:cf:d8:9e:b3:31:a5:ec:ab:91:5a:9d:c7:
                    e3:56:1e:82:6e:fa:69:60:4a:d8:ab:8c:19:2d:87:
                    83:c7:de:58:3a:c9:b5:eb:7e:09:9e:44:59:5e:e0:
                    e7:e7:57:99:d5:91:c8:8b:43:f5:ad:87:5a:9c:25:
                    07:64:07:eb:3a:ab:3a:79:86:4d:c8:c9:7a:41:e0:
                    1f:5a:59:3a:48:49:dc:66:69
                Exponent: 65537 (0x10001)
        X509v3 extensions:
            X509v3 Subject Key Identifier:
                8A:34:D4:E5:18:77:7C:91:E4:8A:D7:39:FC:14:50:BE:17:FA:D2:59
            X509v3 Authority Key Identifier:

keyid:74:FD:B3:A6:26:C7:BB:DA:2C:5B:26:41:98:F9:9A:27:CC:32:CA:EF
                DirName:/C=US/O=example/CN=root
                serial:01

            X509v3 Basic Constraints: critical
                CA:FALSE
            X509v3 Key Usage: critical
                Digital Signature
    Signature Algorithm: sha1WithRSAEncryption
         70:e4:ee:c7:a8:73:a7:ff:e0:e3:a3:b4:13:ec:39:e2:1d:30:
         7f:a8:20:fd:7a:0c:7d:79:1c:e4:fb:68:29:cd:0d:7c:2a:29:
         f9:bd:9a:d8:59:e1:c0:be:fc:98:80:6d:97:4e:2b:cd:ff:1c:
         1a:4c:10:85:33:65:c1:2e:1e:14:ad:61:34:64:0f:9d:42:07:
         fa:2b:33:f1:ca:fb:4f:86:cf:74:9d:1c:4d:4d:be:e9:96:37:
         14:53:e5:03:ea:7f:30:1d:60:c4:f0:4c:b7:0d:18:e2:59:a9:
         77:90:5b:9b:71:5c:02:e4:64:89:6f:d3:9a:32:72:98:89:f6:
         f6:da
-----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----
MIICbjCCAdegAwIBAgIBBDANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADAuMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzEQ
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T4bPdJ0cTU2+6ZY3FFPlA+p/MB1gxPBMtw0Y4lmpd5Bbm3FcAuRkiW/TmjJymIn2
9to=
-----END CERTIFICATE-----

-- crl.pem

Certificate Revocation List (CRL):
        Version 2 (0x1)
    Signature Algorithm: sha1WithRSAEncryption
        Issuer: /C=US/O=example/CN=root
        Last Update: Jul 30 01:14:47 2013 GMT
        Next Update: Jul 30 01:14:47 2014 GMT
        CRL extensions:
            X509v3 Authority Key Identifier:

keyid:27:A8:DC:67:7D:C6:F4:60:4E:1A:1B:5F:1C:9C:5D:50:05:F4:E3:72
                DirName:/C=US/O=example/CN=root
                serial:02

            X509v3 CRL Number:
                1
Revoked Certificates:
    Serial Number: 04
        Revocation Date: Jul 30 01:14:47 2013 GMT
        CRL entry extensions:
            X509v3 CRL Reason Code:
                Key Compromise
    Signature Algorithm: sha1WithRSAEncryption
         41:90:cb:1f:06:ba:bb:cd:2b:19:e4:c7:5d:93:a6:f7:9c:a1:
         a7:69:8e:08:4a:90:66:2a:3b:12:ad:71:14:3a:69:d1:ee:8c:
         4a:35:25:e5:b9:b2:98:5e:b0:1b:83:60:e5:79:6b:d7:25:4d:
         92:6d:60:66:a7:15:db:47:47:e3:1f:13:1a:ee:d4:9d:9d:b6:
         c6:77:75:9b:5b:4c:ba:08:79:16:55:2e:49:dd:d2:bf:57:5a:
         87:c5:9d:ed:b7:80:7a:db:b9:75:43:cd:58:21:3f:2f:9e:79:
         64:e8:c9:f1:71:34:06:71:a7:6a:ce:cb:8f:fe:58:38:d1:da:
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