Rich Salz wrote:
> 
> > SSLv3 is a defacto, industry standard, devised by the best cryptanalyst
> > we have.  It is represented only by an expired Internet Draft. TLS is a
> > committee effort.  You be the judge.
> 
> That is unfair, misleading, and wrong.

Well, maybe unfair, but I think it's a fact ;-)  I mean to say: don't
underestimate the power of Internet Drafts.  Internet Standards
used to be more impressive.   Anyway, I included references and
did invite the reader to judge for himself.

> All IETF standards are committee efforts.  And with all due respect to
> the SSL designers, "best cryptanalyst" seems an honor that (at least)
> Rubin, Bellovin, Blaze, Kelsey, Shamir, and their colleagues could all
> reasonably lay claim to.  Some of them were involved in TLS.

And I'd add Don Coppersmith, Bob Silverman, Daniel Bleichenbacher,
etc.  I really was just experiencing momentary flatulence.  

Maybe I'm still suffering from the mind-numbing PKIX experience.

> I'm surprised to see this post coming from you, Michael -- someone been
> tapping while you were out Starbucking or some such? :)

I suspect my lack of caffeine rather than surfeit.  I was trying to
be funny, but "while I commanded an exceedingly fine racehorse to
come forth, I only summoned a lame tortoise."   Occasionally I
find that I'm not as witty as I thought.  

I really do wish that web servers and  browsers would implement TLS,
and I could use those extra nifty cipher suites. ;-)

I think I could have come up with TLS starting with SSLv3 -- I think
the significant contribution was SSLv2 -> SSLv3.  Just my $0.02,
adjusted for inflation.  Of course, I take a rebuke from /r$ seriously,
normally I just ignore people when they point out my stupidities.
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