On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:53 AM, Joshua Harlow <harlo...@fastmail.com> wrote: > Renat Akhmerov wrote: >> >> >>> On 10 Mar 2017, at 06:02, Zane Bitter <zbit...@redhat.com >>> <mailto:zbit...@redhat.com>> wrote: >>> >>> On 08/03/17 11:23, David Moreau Simard wrote: >>>> >>>> The App Catalog, to me, sounds sort of like a weird message that >>>> OpenStack somehow requires applications to be >>>> packaged/installed/deployed differently. >>>> If anything, perhaps we should spend more effort on advertising that >>>> OpenStack provides bare metal or virtual compute resources and that >>>> apps will work just like any other places. >>> >>> >>> Look, it's true that legacy apps from the 90s will run on any VM you >>> can give them. But the rest of the world has spent the last 15 years >>> moving on from that. Applications of the future, and increasingly the >>> present, span multiple VMs/containers, make use of services provided >>> by the cloud, and interact with their own infrastructure. And users >>> absolutely will need ways of packaging and deploying them that work >>> with the underlying infrastructure. Even those apps from the 90s >>> should be taking advantage of things like e.g. Neutron security >>> groups, configuration of which is and will always be out of scope for >>> Docker Hub images. >>> >>> So no, we should NOT spend more effort on advertising that we aim to >>> become to cloud what Subversion is to version control. We've done far >>> too much of that already IMHO. >> >> >> 100% agree with that. >> >> And this whole discussion is taking me to the question: is there really >> any officially accepted strategy for OpenStack for 1, 3, 5 years? > > > I can propose what I would like for a strategy (it's not more VMs and more > neutron security groups...), though if it involves (more) design by > committee, count me out.
Josh, I'd like to see what you think should be done. Thanks, Dims > > I honestly believe we have to do the equivalent of a technology leapfrog if > we actually want to be relevant; but maybe I'm to eager... > > Is >> >> there any ultimate community goal we’re moving to regardless of >> underlying technologies (containers, virtualization etc.)? I know we’re >> now considering various community goals like transition to Python 3.5 >> etc. but these goals don’t tell anything about our future as an IT >> ecosystem from user perspective. I may assume that I’m just not aware of >> it. I’d be glad if it was true. I’m eager to know the answers for these >> questions. Overall, to me it feels like every company in the community >> just tries to pursue its own short-term (in the best case mid-term) >> goals without really caring about long-term common goals. So if we say >> OpenStack is a car then it seems like the wheels of this car are moving >> in different directions. Again, I’d be glad if it wasn’t true. So maybe >> some governance needed around setting and achieving ultimate goals of >> OpenStack? Or if they already exist we need to better explain them and >> advertise publicly? That in turn IMO could attract more businesses and >> contributors. >> >> Renat Akhmerov >> @Nokia >> >> __________________________________________________________________________ >> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) >> Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims __________________________________________________________________________ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev