On 05/22/2017 05:39 AM, Matthew Booth wrote:
There are also a couple of optimisations to make which I won't bother
with up front. Dan suggested in his CellsV2 talk that we would only
query cells where the user actually has instances. If we find users tend
to clump in a small number of cells this would be a significant
optimisation, although the overhead on the api node for a query
returning no rows is probably very little. Also, I think you mentioned
that there's an option to tell SQLA not to batch-process rows, but that
it is less efficient for total throughput? I suspect there would be a
point at which we'd want that.
it's the yield_per() option and I think you should use it up front, just
so it's there and we can hit any issues it might cause (shouldn't be any
provided no eager loading is used). Have it yield on about 5 rows at a
time. The pymysql driver these days I think does not actually buffer
the rows but 50 is very little anyway.
If there's a reasonable way to calculate
a tipping point, that might give us some additional life.
Bear in mind that the principal advantages to not using Searchlight are:
* It is simpler to implement
* It is simpler to manage
* It will return accurate results
Following the principal of 'as simple as possible, but no simpler', I
think there's enormous benefit to this much simpler approach for anybody
who doesn't need a more complex approach. However, while it reduces the
urgency of something like the Searchlight solution, I expect there are
going to be deployments which need that.
More over, during the query there are instances operation(
create, delete) in parallel during the pagination/sort query,
there is situation some cells may not provide response in time,
or network connection broken, etc, many abnormal cases may
happen. How to deal with some of cells abnormal query response
is also one great factor to be considered.
Aside: For a query operation, what's the better user experience when a
single cell is failing:
1. The whole query fails.
2. The user gets incomplete results.
Either of these are simple to implement. Incomplete results would also
additionally be logged as an ERROR, but I can't think of any way to also
return to the user that there's a problem with the data we returned
without throwing an error.
Thoughts?
Matt
It's not good idea to support pagination and sort at the same
time (may not provide exactly the result end user want) if
searchlight should not be integrated.
In fact in Tricircle, when query ports from neutron where
tricircle central plugin is installed, the tricircle central
plugin do the similar cross local Neutron ports query, and not
support pagination/sort together.
Best Regards
Chaoyi Huang (joehuang)
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Subject: [openstack-dev] [nova] Boston Forum session recap -
searchlight integration
Hi everyone,
After previous summits where we had vertical tracks for Nova
sessions I
would provide a recap for each session.
The Forum in Boston was a bit different, so here I'm only
attempting to
recap the Forum sessions that I ran. Dan Smith led a session on
Cells
v2, John Garbutt led several sessions on the VM and Baremetal
platform
concept, and Sean Dague led sessions on hierarchical quotas and API
microversions, and I'm going to leave recaps for those sessions
to them.
I'll do these one at a time in separate emails.
Using Searchlight to list instances across cells in nova-api
------------------------------------------------------------
The etherpad for this session is here [1]. The goal for this
session was
to explain the problem and proposed plan from the spec [2] to the
operators in the room and get feedback.
Polling the room we found that not many people are deploying
Searchlight
but most everyone was using ElasticSearch.
An immediate concern that came up was the complexity involved with
integrating Searchlight, especially around issues with latency
for state
changes and questioning how this does not redo the top-level
cells v1
sync issue. It admittedly does to an extent, but we don't have
all of
the weird side code paths with cells v1 and it should be
self-healing.
Kris Lindgren noted that the instance.usage.exists periodic
notification
from the computes hammers their notification bus; we suggested
he report
a bug so we can fix that.
It was also noted that if data is corrupted in ElasticSearch or
is out
of sync, you could re-sync that from nova to searchlight, however,
searchlight syncs up with nova via the compute REST API, which
if the
compute REST API is using searchlight in the backend, you end up
getting
into an infinite loop of broken. This could probably be fixed with
bypass query options in the compute API, but it's not a fun problem.
It was also suggested that we store a minimal set of data about
instances in the top-level nova API database's instance_mappings
table,
where all we have today is the uuid. Anything that is set in the API
would probably be OK for this, but operators in the room noted
that they
frequently need to filter instances by an IP, which is set in the
compute. So this option turns into a slippery slope, and is
potentially
not inter-operable across clouds.
Matt Booth is also skeptical that we can't have a multi-cell query
perform well, and he's proposed a POC here [3]. If that works
out, then
it defeats the main purpose for using Searchlight for listing
instances
in the compute API.
Since sorting instances across cells is the main issue, it was also
suggested that we allow a config option to disable sorting in
the API.
It was stated this would be without a microversion, and
filtering/paging
would still be supported. I'm personally skeptical about how
this could
be consider inter-operable or discoverable for API users, and
would need
more thought and input from users like Monty Taylor and Clark
Boylan.
Next steps are going to be fleshing out Matt Booth's POC for
efficiently
listing instances across cells. I think we can still continue
working on
the versioned notifications changes we're making for searchlight as
those are useful on their own. And we should still work on enabling
searchlight in the nova-next CI job so we can get an idea for
how the
versioned notifications are working by a consumer. However, any
major
development for actually integrating searchlight into Nova is
probably
on hold at the moment until we know how Matt's POC works.
[1]
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-forum-using-searchlight-to-list-instances
<https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-forum-using-searchlight-to-list-instances>
[2]
https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/pike/approved/list-instances-using-searchlight.html
<https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/pike/approved/list-instances-using-searchlight.html>
[3] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/463618/
<https://review.openstack.org/#/c/463618/>
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Matt
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