On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Thierry Carrez <thie...@openstack.org>wrote:
> Jaromir Coufal wrote: > > [...] > > I am not trying to convince anybody here, I accept the decision 'no' (at > > least for this moment). I just feel that it was not consensus that most > > of people thinks that this is nonsense. I don't see any strong reasons > > why not. In time, I believe more people will see how important it is and > > hopefully OpenStack will recognize UX efforts officially. > > [...] > > It's certainly not consensus, and I don't think anybody said this was > nonsense. It's just a delicate balance, and trying to find the most > sustainable and efficient way to bring UX concerns within projects. Like > I said, the last thing we want is a fight between UX folks on one side > asking for stuff to get done and on the other side nobody in projects > actually caring about getting it done. > > That said, I think you made great arguments for keeping a leg out and > organize in a cross-project way. After all we have other projects (like > QA) which do that very successfully, so I'm definitely willing to > consider UX as a separate program. > > My main concern would be that the UX team is relatively new (the > launchpad tracker for example was created on Oct 20) and that we haven't > seen you around enough to see how you would interact with projects and > get your priorities across. There is no weekly UX team meetings listed > on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings, either. > > Programs are about blessing existing teams and efforts (which already > obtain results), *not* to bootstrap new ones. We look into the team's > work and results and decide those are essential to the production of > OpenStack. So my advice to you would be to organize yourselves as a > team, engage with projects, deliver clear results, communicate around > those... and then apply again to be a "Program" if you think that's > still relevant. > > I too would really like you all to organize as a team very similar to how the Security team organizes itself - very much like what you are doing now. It's interesting, the Security team ended up with a book sprint that produced a book deliverable that is a very valuable piece of documentation, and that wasn't a goal going in. So I think that the more you look for opportunities for UX across projects the more deliverables you could find that we haven't identified yet. So I really want to encourage you to keep looking for those areas where we have need for good experiences. Thanks, Anne > Does that make sense ? > > -- > Thierry Carrez (ttx) > > _______________________________________________ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > -- Anne Gentle annegen...@justwriteclick.com
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