We're on the same page. I was just not sure if I should go to far away given we're even mixing all the 'users' now. And I think it's related to the other point I mentioned in my candidacy: Constellation. User could be defined by user case, which is the constellation here composed by different services.
On 13/10/17 12:43, Fox, Kevin M wrote: > I slightly disagree. I think there are 3 sets of users not 2... > Operators, Tenant Users, and Tenant Application Developers. > > Tenant Application Developers develop software that the Tenant Users > deploy in their tenant. > > Most OpenStack developers consider the latter two to always be the > same person. And it has made it very difficult to use for Tenant Users > that aren't Tenant Application Developers to use OpenStack. > > Sometimes Tenant Users are pure ops, not devops. Sometimes they are > not even traditional CS folks but physicists, biologists, etc. > > Thanks, > Kevin > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Fei Long Wang [feil...@catalyst.net.nz] > *Sent:* Thursday, October 12, 2017 4:16 PM > *To:* openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > *Subject:* Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an > OpenStack user look like? > > That's one of the points I mentioned in my candidacy: whom we're > building the software for. As a service maintainer and upstream > developer of a public cloud based on OpenStack, I would say some times > we're mixing the term 'users'. The user in OpenStack world includes > *operators* and *tenant users* (developers or devops using the cloud). > We have done a good job to get the feedback from operators with "user" > survey, operators mailing list, etc. But we don't have a good way to > hear the voices from those tenant users, including developers and > devops. And that's very important for the near future of OpenStack. > > > On 13/10/17 10:34, Emilien Macchi wrote: >> Replying on top of Mohammed, since I like his answer and want to add >> some comments. >> >> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Mohammed Naser <mna...@vexxhost.com> wrote: >> [...] >> >>> Ideally, I think that OpenStack should be targeted to become a core >>> infrastructure tool that's part of organizations all around the world >>> which can deliver both OpenStack-native services (think Nova for VMs, >>> Cinder for block storage) and OpenStack-enabled services (think Magnum >>> which deployed Kubernetes integrated with OpenStack, Sahara which >>> deploys Big Data software integrated with Swift). >>> >>> This essentially makes OpenStack sit at the heart of the operations of >>> every organization (ideally!). It also translates well with >>> OpenStack's goal of providing a unified set of APIs and interfaces >>> which are always predictable to do the operations that you expect them >>> to do. With time, this will make OpenStack much more accessible, as >>> it becomes very easy to interact with as any individuals move from one >>> organization to another. >> I agree a lot with Mohammed here. I also like to think we build >> OpenStack to place it at the heart of all organizations consuming >> infrastructure at any scale or any architecture. >> It can be some pieces from OpenStack or a whole set of services >> working together. >> Also like he said, providing set of API, that are well known; I would >> add "stable APIs" (see discussions with Glare / Glance) and ensure >> some "perennity" for our end-users. >> >> Having talked with some users, some folks say "OpenStack becomes >> boring and we like it". Pursuing the discussion, they like to have >> long life API support and stability in how they operate. I think at a >> TC level we need to make sure we can both innovate and maintain this >> stability at a certain level. >> >> [...] > > -- > Cheers & Best regards, > Feilong Wang (王飞龙) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Senior Cloud Software Engineer > Tel: +64-48032246 > Email: flw...@catalyst.net.nz > Catalyst IT Limited > Level 6, Catalyst House, 150 Willis Street, Wellington > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- Cheers & Best regards, Feilong Wang (王飞龙) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Senior Cloud Software Engineer Tel: +64-48032246 Email: flw...@catalyst.net.nz Catalyst IT Limited Level 6, Catalyst House, 150 Willis Street, Wellington --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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