Thierry Carrez wrote:
Joshua Harlow wrote:
Thierry Carrez wrote:
The PTG has always been about taking the team discussions that happened
at the Ops Summit / Design Summit to have them in a more productive
environment.
I am just going to say it but can we *please* stop distinguishing
between ops and devs (a ops summit, like why); the fact that these
emails even continue to have the word op or dev or ops communicate with
devs and then devs go do something that may work (hint this kind of
feedback loop is wrong) for ops pisses me off. The world has moved
beyond this kind of separation and openstack needs to as well... IMHO
projects that still rely on this kind of interaction are dead in the
water. If you aren't as a developer at least trying to operate even a
small openstack cloud (even a personal one) then you really shouldn't be
continuing as a developer in openstack...
I totally agree with you. Did you read my email until the end ? See:
[...]
Oh, and in the above paragraphs, I'm not distinguishing "devs" from
"ops". This applies to all teams, to any contributor engaged in making
OpenStack a reality. Having the Public Cloud WG team meet at the PTG was
great, and we should definitely have ANY OpenStack team wanting to meet
and get things done at future PTGs.
My mention above of "Ops Summit" / "Design Summit" was pointing to the
old names of the events, which "Forum" and "PTG" were specifically
designed to replace, avoiding the unnecessary split.
Ya, my mention was more of just the whole continued mention in this
whole mailing list around ops and devs and the separation and ... not
just really this email (or its thread); it's a common theme around here
that IMHO needs to die in a fire.
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