On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 1:06 PM Jay Pipes <jaypi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 07/02/2018 03:31 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: > > On 28/06/18 15:09, Fox, Kevin M wrote: > >> * made the barrier to testing/development as low as 'curl > >> http://......minikube; minikube start' (this spurs adoption and > >> contribution) > > > > That's not so different from devstack though. > > > >> * not having large silo's in deployment projects allowed better > >> communication on common tooling. > >> * Operator focused architecture, not project based architecture. > >> This simplifies the deployment situation greatly. > >> * try whenever possible to focus on just the commons and push vendor > >> specific needs to plugins so vendors can deal with vendor issues > >> directly and not corrupt the core. > > > > I agree with all of those, but to be fair to OpenStack, you're leaving > > out arguably the most important one: > > > > * Installation instructions start with "assume a working datacenter" > > > > They have that luxury; we do not. (To be clear, they are 100% right to > > take full advantage of that luxury. Although if there are still folks > > who go around saying that it's a trivial problem and OpenStackers must > > all be idiots for making it look so difficult, they should really stop > > embarrassing themselves.) > > This. > > There is nothing trivial about the creation of a working datacenter -- > never mind a *well-running* datacenter. Comparing Kubernetes to > OpenStack -- particular OpenStack's lower levels -- is missing this > fundamental point and ends up comparing apples to oranges.
100% > Best, > -jay > > __________________________________________________________________________ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims __________________________________________________________________________ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev