On 04/24/2015 10:42 AM, Chris Dent wrote:
On Fri, 24 Apr 2015, Ed Leafe wrote:

I read "the downstream" to mean what you refer to as "people who
deploy workloads on them". In this context, I saw the operators as the
end-users of the work the devs do. If that gave the impression that I
don't care about people who actually run their stuff on the clouds we
build, I apologize - I was simply trying to answer what was asked.

I left the terminology intentional vague to allow people to interpret
them as they felt appropriate. To be clear I was thinking in these
sorts of ways:

* Downstream: The companies that are packaging and selling OpenStack
  in some fashion. I left these people out because I personally think
  the OpenStack project does _far_ too much to keep these people happy
  and should actually do less and since that is a somewhat
  contentious position I wanted to leave it out of the discussion (at
  least initially) as it would just muddy the waters.
Interesting. Can you list a few specific things we do as a project that are only for the benefit of such companies and that
you believe we should stop doing?

 -David



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