Hi, having or not having docker on Fuel master affects mostly Fuel node deployment related scripts/manifests. If we need to fix a bug in Nailgun or OSTF - we can fix it in their codebase and it does not really matter whether we run Nailgin or OSTF inside docker or not. The same goes for all the OpenStack deployment related manifests - fix will be the same in 9.0 without docker and in 8.0 with docker. Removing docker may introduce a bunch of new bugs, but they will be only 9.0 specific and won't affect 8.0. So I don't think that removing docker in master branch will affect bugfixing velocity for stable branch a lot.
Regards, Alex On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 1:45 AM, Sergii Golovatiuk <sgolovat...@mirantis.com > wrote: > +1 > > -- > Best regards, > Sergii Golovatiuk, > Skype #golserge > IRC #holser > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Mike Scherbakov <mscherba...@mirantis.com > > wrote: > >> If there are no concrete points why we should wait, I'm +1 to go ahead >> with merges. >> >> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 1:32 AM Oleg Gelbukh <ogelb...@mirantis.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Evgeniy, >>> >>> True, and I fully support merging this particular change as soon as >>> possible, i.e. the moment the 'master' is open for 9.0 development. >>> >>> -Oleg >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Evgeniy L <e...@mirantis.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Oleg, >>>> >>>> With the same degree of confidence we can say that anything we have in >>>> the beginning of >>>> the release cycle is not urgent enough. We pushed early branching >>>> specifically for >>>> such big changes as Docker removal/Changing repos structures and >>>> merging invasive patches >>>> for new release features. >>>> >>>> Vladimir Kuklin, >>>> >>>> I'm not sure what do you mean by "fixing 2 different environments"? >>>> With environment without >>>> containers it will simplify debugging process. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 10:12 PM, Oleg Gelbukh <ogelb...@mirantis.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> Although I agree that it should be done, the removal of Docker doesn't >>>>> seem an urgent feature to me. It is not blocking anything besides moving >>>>> to >>>>> full package-based deployment of Fuel, as far as I understand. So it could >>>>> be easily delayed for one milestone, especially if it is already almost >>>>> done and submitted for review, so it could be merged fast before any other >>>>> significant changes land in 'master' after it is open. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Oleg Gelbukh >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 8:56 PM, Vladimir Kozhukalov < >>>>> vkozhuka...@mirantis.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Vladimir, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have other activities planned for the time immediately after SCF >>>>>> (separating UI from fuel-web, maybe it is even more invasive :-)) and it >>>>>> is >>>>>> not a big deal to postpone this feature or another. I am against the >>>>>> approach itself of postponing something because it is too invasive. If we >>>>>> create stable branch master becomes open. That was our primary intention >>>>>> to >>>>>> open master earlier than later when we decided to move stable branch >>>>>> creation. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Vladimir Kozhukalov >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 8:28 PM, Vladimir Kuklin < >>>>>> vkuk...@mirantis.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Vladimir >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am pretty much for removing docker, but I do not think that we >>>>>>> should startle our developers/QA folks with additional efforts on >>>>>>> fixing 2 >>>>>>> different environments. Let's just think from the point of development >>>>>>> velocity here and at delay such changes for at least after NY. Because >>>>>>> if >>>>>>> we do it immediately after SCF there will be a whole bunch of holidays >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> Russian holidays are Jan 1st-10th and you (who is the SME for docker >>>>>>> removal) will be offline. Do you really want to fix things instead of >>>>>>> enjoying holidays? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Evgeniy L <e...@mirantis.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> +1 to Vladimir Kozhukalov, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Entire point of moving branches creation to SCF was to perform such >>>>>>>> changes as >>>>>>>> early as possible in the release, I see no reasons to wait for HCF. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Vladimir Kozhukalov < >>>>>>>> vkozhuka...@mirantis.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -1 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We already discussed this and we have made a decision to move >>>>>>>>> stable branch creation from HCF to SCF. There were reasons for this. >>>>>>>>> We >>>>>>>>> agreed that once stable branch is created, master becomes open for new >>>>>>>>> features. Let's avoid discussing this again. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Vladimir Kozhukalov >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Bulat Gaifullin < >>>>>>>>> bgaiful...@mirantis.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> +1 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Bulat Gaifullin >>>>>>>>>> Mirantis Inc. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 15 Dec 2015, at 22:19, Andrew Maksimov <amaksi...@mirantis.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> +1 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Andrey Maximov >>>>>>>>>> Fuel Project Manager >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 9:41 PM, Vladimir Kuklin < >>>>>>>>>> vkuk...@mirantis.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Folks >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This email is a proposal to push Docker containers removal from >>>>>>>>>>> the master node to the date beyond 8.0 HCF. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Here is why I propose to do so. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Removal of Docker is a rather invasive change and may introduce >>>>>>>>>>> a lot of regressions. It is well may affect how bugs are fixed - we >>>>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>>>> have 2 ways of fixing them, while during SCF of 8.0 this may affect >>>>>>>>>>> velocity of bug fixing as you need to fix bugs in master prior to >>>>>>>>>>> fixing >>>>>>>>>>> them in stable branches. This actually may significantly increase >>>>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>> bugfixing pace and put 8.0 GA release on risk. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Yours Faithfully, >>>>>>>>>>> Vladimir Kuklin, >>>>>>>>>>> Fuel Library Tech Lead, >>>>>>>>>>> Mirantis, Inc. >>>>>>>>>>> +7 (495) 640-49-04 >>>>>>>>>>> +7 (926) 702-39-68 >>>>>>>>>>> Skype kuklinvv >>>>>>>>>>> 35bk3, Vorontsovskaya Str. >>>>>>>>>>> Moscow, Russia, >>>>>>>>>>> www.mirantis.com <http://www.mirantis.ru/> >>>>>>>>>>> www.mirantis.ru >>>>>>>>>>> vkuk...@mirantis.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> __________________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) >>>>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe: >>>>>>>>>>> openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe >>>>>>>>>>> <http://openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org/?subject:unsubscribe> >>>>>>>>>>> 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