Excerpts from Chris Dent's message of 2016-11-10 15:54:39 +0000: > On Thu, 10 Nov 2016, Clint Byrum wrote: > > Excerpts from Chris Dent's message of 2016-11-09 11:14:32 +0000: > >> Let's just get on with making stuff and work out the problems (and of > >> course there will be many, there always are) as they happen. That's > >> what we do. > > > > Apologies for the stretched analogy. What you're suggesting is that we go > > build without building codes and without a city plan, because there's a > > market force that we must capture. But when we let the tenants move in > > (the operators) and the other tenants sewers back up and their roads > > are backed up with traffic, we'll just deal with that later. I don't > > think that's fair to anyone. > > Sorry, I think you are extrapolating _far_ too much from what I've > said. I've not said we should have no plan, no process, anarchy, > cats and dogs living together[1]. I've said we should work out the > problems as we go. > > The current process to create a plan (nevermind actually following > it) is weighted (to me) too far in the direction of trying to be > prepared for as much as possible. That's a recipe for getting it > wrong; because we are humans who can't see the future. >
Agreed, probably went a bit far there. > > I don't think we have to have a PERFECT plan, but we need to _acknowledge_ > > that this is the price of diversity and expansion. I personally think > > it's worth it, but let's own the chaos and at least start with a rough > > hypothesis of how each new language might effect the overall system, and > > a plan to measure and react quickly. > > Yes, let's talk about it and acknowledge it. There will be a price > of diversity and expansaion, yes. I'm very happy to hear that you > agree it is worth it. I'm also happy to hear you acknowledge that > it will be chaotic. > > However -- to push the current thread further into the extreme than it > actually is, to make a point -- we don't need to reimplement oslo in > every candidate language before we actually build and distribute > something useful with real users in whatever that language might be. > We've got to have some faith in ourselves as developers, users and > operators that we have the capacity to adapt and learn for sake of new > stuff that is good. > It actually sounds like we agree on most if not all fundamental points. __________________________________________________________________________ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
