Given the partial retirement scenario (i.e. only racks A-C retired due to
cooling contrainsts, racks D-F still active with same old hardware but still
useful for years), adding new hardware to old cells would not be non-optimal.
I'm ignoring the long list of other things to worry such as preserving IP
addresses etc.
Sounds like a good topic for PTG/Forum?
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Pipes <jaypi...@gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, 29 August 2018 at 22:12
To: Dan Smith <d...@danplanet.com>, Tim Bell <tim.b...@cern.ch>
Cc: "openstack-operators@lists.openstack.org"
<openstack-operators@lists.openstack.org>
Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] [nova][cinder][neutron] Cross-cell cold
migration
On 08/29/2018 04:04 PM, Dan Smith wrote:
>> - The VMs to be migrated are not generally not expensive
>> configurations, just hardware lifecycles where boxes go out of
>> warranty or computer centre rack/cooling needs re-organising. For
>> CERN, this is a 6-12 month frequency of ~10,000 VMs per year (with a
>> ~30% pet share)
>> - We make a cell from identical hardware at a single location, this
>> greatly simplifies working out hardware issues, provisioning and
>> management
>> - Some cases can be handled with the 'please delete and
>> re-create'. Many other cases need much user support/downtime (and
>> require significant effort or risk delaying retirements to get
>> agreement)
>
> Yep, this is the "organizational use case" of cells I refer to. I assume
> that if one aisle (cell) is being replaced, it makes sense to stand up
> the new one as its own cell, migrate the pets from one to the other and
> then decommission the old one. Being only an aisle away, it's reasonable
> to think that *this* situation might not suffer from the complexity of
> needing to worry about heavyweight migrate network and storage.
For this use case, why not just add the new hardware directly into the
existing cell and migrate the workloads onto the new hardware, then
disable the old hardware and retire it?
I mean, there might be a short period of time where the cell's DB and MQ
would be congested due to lots of migration operations, but it seems a
lot simpler to me than trying to do cross-cell migrations when cells
have been designed pretty much from the beginning of cellsv2 to not talk
to each other or allow any upcalls.
Thoughts?
-jay
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