On 2018-09-18 14:52:28 +0200 (+0200), Sylvain Bauza wrote: [...] > Why are we discussing about WeChat now? Is that because a large > set of our contributors *can't* access IRC or because they > *prefer* any other?
Until we get confirmation either way, I'm going to work under the assumption that there are actual network barriers to using IRC for these contributors and that it's not just a matter of preference. I mainly want to know the source of these barriers because that will determine how to go about addressing them. If it's restrictions imposed by employers, it may be hard for employees to raise the issue in predominantly confrontation-averse cultures. The First Contact SIG is working on a document which outlines the communications and workflows used by our community with a focus on explaining to managers and other staff at contributing organizations what allowances they can make to ease and improve the experience of those they've tasked with working upstream. If the barriers are instead imposed by national government, then urging contributors within those borders to flaunt the law and interact with the rest of our community over IRC is not something which should be taken lightly. That's not to say it can't be solved, but the topic then is a much more political one and our community may not be an appropriate venue for those discussions. > In the past, we made clear for a couple of times why IRC is our > communication channel. I don't see those reasons to be invalid > now, but I'm still open to understand the problems about why our > community becomes de facto fragmented. I think the extended community is already fragmented across a variety of discussion fora. Some watch for relevant hashtags on Twitter and engage in discussions there. I gather there's an unofficial OpenStack Slack channel where lots of newcomers show up to ask questions because they assume the OpenStack community relies on Slack the same way the Kubernetes community does, and so a few volunteers from our community hang out there and try to redirect questions to more appropriate places. I've also heard tell of an OpenStack subReddit which some stackers help moderate and try to provide damage control/correct misstatements there. I don't think these are necessarily a problem, and the members of our community who work to spread accurate information to these places are in many cases helping reduce the actual degree of fragmentation. I'm still trying to make up my mind on 602697 which is why I haven't weighed in on the proposal yet. So far I feel like it probably doesn't bring anything new, since we already declare how and where official discussion takes place and the measure doesn't make any attempt to change that. We also don't regulate where unofficial discussions are allowed to take place, and so it doesn't open up any new possibilities which were previously disallowed. -- Jeremy Stanley
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