+1
It is important that we distinguish between those who might contribute to the development of OpenStack, who often have advanced
language skills, as contrasted with those who might be asked to operate a cloud based on OpenStack. While it may be that the language
of open source development is English, it is not as likely that you'll find someone in IT operations at a company in a non-English language speaking
country who has advanced (and in some cases, any) english language skills. For them, English language log messages might as well have been
written in Romulan.
As a means of making this real, imagine trying to operate and debug OpenStack if all of the log messages were written in Simple Chinese.
Who amongst us could do that, or would much less even attempt it? I rest my case.
It is critically important that we localize as much as possible, including log messages, install and operations manuals as well
as UI components for locales that we would like to see adopt OpenStack. Thorough globalization will be critical to broad adoption of OpenStack,
especially in emerging geographies.
Cheers,
Christopher Ferris
IBM Distinguished Engineer, CTO Industry and Cloud Standards
Member, IBM Academy of Technology
IBM Software Group, Standards Strategy
email: chris...@us.ibm.com
Twitter: christo4ferris
phone: +1 508 234 2986
Christopher Ferris
IBM Distinguished Engineer, CTO Industry and Cloud Standards
Member, IBM Academy of Technology
IBM Software Group, Standards Strategy
email: chris...@us.ibm.com
Twitter: christo4ferris
phone: +1 508 234 2986
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Date: 04/11/2012 03:01PM
Subject: Re: [Openstack] I18n issue for OpenStack
From: Sean Dague
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Date: 04/11/2012 03:01PM
Subject: Re: [Openstack] I18n issue for OpenStack
On 04/11/2012 08:41 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:
> Sheng Bo Hou wrote:
>> After the research done by my colleage Edward Zhang and myself, we have
>> found the following issues for openstack. We have already raised bug
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/974810
>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/974810> .
>> [...]
>
> Thanks for your analysis. We plan to discuss how to fix and extend I18N
> at the summit. One question that was raised on the ML in February was
> whether internationalization was actually worth the effort for
> infrastructure software like OpenStack.
>
> I'll be the first to admit that there are other languages than English,
> but all our open development is based in English already (bugs, reviews,
> commit messages, mailing-lists, IRC...), so I don't think supporting
> more languages in the software itself will help growing our developer
> community.
I would tend to disagree with that. People are more likely to invest
their time in software if they'll be able to use it better in their
locale. I think this is definitely even more true in places where
English has less of a dominant presence. It may even bring people to the
table solely interested in helping with translation. I've seen that
happen elsewhere.
> On our users community, do operators of OpenStack need translated error
> messages ? Given that translations are often incomplete, is it worth it
> ? What do comparable infrastructure open source software projects
> provide ? The effort to provide them has proven non-trivial, I'd like to
> make sure it's time well spent.
If we want to think about OpenStack as a basic building block like
Apache, i18n is critical. Otherwise there are regions that won't adopt
it solely because of a lack of i18n.
Is there a metric on the completeness so far? Something automated that
could be a jenkins coverage kind of test?
-Sean
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> Sheng Bo Hou wrote:
>> After the research done by my colleage Edward Zhang and myself, we have
>> found the following issues for openstack. We have already raised bug
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/974810
>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/974810> .
>> [...]
>
> Thanks for your analysis. We plan to discuss how to fix and extend I18N
> at the summit. One question that was raised on the ML in February was
> whether internationalization was actually worth the effort for
> infrastructure software like OpenStack.
>
> I'll be the first to admit that there are other languages than English,
> but all our open development is based in English already (bugs, reviews,
> commit messages, mailing-lists, IRC...), so I don't think supporting
> more languages in the software itself will help growing our developer
> community.
I would tend to disagree with that. People are more likely to invest
their time in software if they'll be able to use it better in their
locale. I think this is definitely even more true in places where
English has less of a dominant presence. It may even bring people to the
table solely interested in helping with translation. I've seen that
happen elsewhere.
> On our users community, do operators of OpenStack need translated error
> messages ? Given that translations are often incomplete, is it worth it
> ? What do comparable infrastructure open source software projects
> provide ? The effort to provide them has proven non-trivial, I'd like to
> make sure it's time well spent.
If we want to think about OpenStack as a basic building block like
Apache, i18n is critical. Otherwise there are regions that won't adopt
it solely because of a lack of i18n.
Is there a metric on the completeness so far? Something automated that
could be a jenkins coverage kind of test?
-Sean
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Sean Dague
IBM Linux Technology Center
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alt-email: sda...@linux.vnet.ibm.com
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