No, not imagining things, just trying to learn.  ;)

What you are saying makes sense, I'm just trying to reconcile what you are saying with the online install guides, which are telling me something kind of different. What you are saying makes more sense. Just having never used bridges before in the way, it's not totally obvious to me, so bear with me. ;)

On 4/5/14, 7:02 AM, Ageeleshwar Kandavelu wrote:
You seem to be imagining things. Or may be it was my way of explaining
that confused you. You don't need IP address anywhere. Flat/vlan are
things needed by neutron. You only have to just create the bridges and
leave them there. The rest is done by neutron.

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On Sat, Apr 05, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Erich Weiler <wei...@soe.ucsc.edu
<mailto:wei...@soe.ucsc.edu>> wrote:

    Thanks, this is getting me closer!  I still have a few questions:

    When I configure the bridges (for br-ex and br-int), do those bridges
    need to be configured with IP addressed?  Or can I just configure the
    interfaces without IP addresses?  I guess at least for the br-ex, it
    needs to know the gateway, netmask, etc for the external network, I
    assume you define that in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-br-ex?
    (assuming a redhat installation).  No VLANs on br-ex, it's a flat
    network.

    And then I configure br-int without any ip/netmask info because it will
    use VLANs and do that dynamically as needed?

    And then, I can do (on the network node):

    ovs-vsctl add-br br-int
    ovs-vsctl add-br br-ex

    and then...

    ovs-vsctl add-port br-ex eth1
    ovs-vsctl add-port br-int eth2

    and in /etc/neutron/plugins/openvswitch/ovs_neutron_plugin.ini on the
    network node I have:

    [ovs]
    tenant_network_type = vlan
    network_vlan_ranges = Intnet:100:200
    bridge_mappings = Extnet:br-ex,Intnet:br-int

    Is that the right idea for a flat external network and using VLANs on
    the internal network?

    Thanks again, this is kind of tricky, but I feel I'm getting close to
    getting it straight...  Sorry if I'm being slow, but I really
    appreciate
    the help!

    On 4/2/14, 11:05 PM, Ageeleshwar Kandavelu wrote:
     > Maruf was correct.
     >
     > Also in your plugin.ini you have associate each physical network
    to a
     > bridge. And each of those bridges should have one physical network
     > interface attached.
     >
     > In my previous mail i gave an example where I associated Extnet to
     > br-ex. Then add eth2 to br-ex. Then your external
    network(ext-net) would
     > be overlaid on top of Extnet, bridged to br-ex, then traffic flows
     > outside through eth2.
     >
     > Thank you,
     > Ageeleshwar K
     >
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------

     > *From:* Md. Maruful Hassan [mrf....@gmail.com]
     > *Sent:* Thursday, April 03, 2014 9:29 AM
     > *To:* Erich Weiler
     > *Cc:* Ageeleshwar Kandavelu; Alex Yang;
    openstack@lists.openstack.org
     > *Subject:* Re: [Openstack] Neutron network node setup
     >
     > You need to use 'flat' instead of 'local' and specify
    physical_network .
     > so modify
     >
     > neutron net-create ext-net --provider:network_type=local --shared
     > --router:external=True
     >
     > to
     >
     > neutron net-create ext-net --provider:network_type=flat
     > --provider:physical_network Extnet --shared --router:external=True
     >
     > Extnet is the name you configured in plugin.ini  as bridge_mapping
     >
     > - Maruf
     >
     > --
     > m@ruf
     >
     >
     > On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Erich Weiler <wei...@soe.ucsc.edu
     > <mailto:wei...@soe.ucsc.edu>> wrote:
     >
     >     Hi Ageeleshwar,
     >
     >     I *think* I see what you are saying - is this correct?  First, I
     >     create a flat external network:
     >
     >     # neutron net-create ext-net --provider:network_type=local
    --shared
     >     --router:external=True
     >
     >
     >     Created a new network:
     >
    +---------------------------+-__------------------------------__-------+

     >     | Field                     |
    Value                                |
     >
    +---------------------------+-__------------------------------__-------+

     >     | admin_state_up            |
    True                                 |
     >     | id                        |
    71b4b5b9-e744-4c67-9b62-__4f64ab727e47 |
     >     | name                      |
    ext-net                              |
     >     | provider:network_type     |
    local                                |
     >     | provider:physical_network
    |                                      |
     >     | provider:segmentation_id
    |                                      |
     >     | router:external           |
    True                                 |
     >     | shared                    |
    True                                 |
     >
     >     | status                    |
    ACTIVE                               |
     >     | subnets
    |                                      |
     >     | tenant_id                 |
    36687b1d611740bd9e7309432b22db__cd     |
     >
    +---------------------------+-__------------------------------__-------+

     >
     >     # neutron subnet-create ext-net --allocation-pool
     >     start=134.145.112.10,end=134.__145.112.100
    --gateway=134.145.112.1
     >     --enable_dhcp=False 134.145.112.0/24 <http://134.145.112.0/24>
     >
     >     Created a new subnet:
     >
    
+------------------+----------__------------------------------__--------------+

     >     | Field            | Value
     >           |
     >
    
+------------------+----------__------------------------------__--------------+

     >     | allocation_pools | {"start": "134.145.112.10", "end":
     >     "134.145.112.100"} |
     >     | cidr             | 134.145.112.0/26 <http://134.145.112.0/26>
     >                                     |
     >     | dns_nameservers  |
     >           |
     >     | enable_dhcp      | False
     >           |
     >     | gateway_ip       | 134.145.112.1
     >          |
     >     | host_routes      |
     >           |
     >     | id               | 6082cdb3-98bc-4fbe-a0fb-__ff264ea7384f
     >              |
     >     | ip_version       | 4
     >           |
     >     | name             |
     >           |
     >     | network_id       | 71b4b5b9-e744-4c67-9b62-__4f64ab727e47
     >              |
     >     | tenant_id        | 36687b1d611740bd9e7309432b22db__cd
     >              |
     >
    
+------------------+----------__------------------------------__--------------+

     >
     >     Create a router from ext-to-int for my demo tenant:
     >
     >     # neutron router-create ext-to-int --tenant-id
     >     f7e61747885045d8b266a161310c00__94
     >     Created a new router:
     >
    +-----------------------+-----__------------------------------__---+
     >     | Field                 | Value                                |
     >
    +-----------------------+-----__------------------------------__---+
     >     | admin_state_up        | True                                 |
     >     | external_gateway_info |                                      |
     >     | id                    |
    4ca4292c-8954-4f21-acd6-__b0044e0d02cb |
     >     | name                  | ext-to-int                           |
     >     | status                | ACTIVE                               |
     >     | tenant_id             |
    f7e61747885045d8b266a161310c00__94     |
     >
    +-----------------------+-----__------------------------------__---+
     >
     >     Set my router gateway:
     >
     >     # neutron router-gateway-set
    4ca4292c-8954-4f21-acd6-__b0044e0d02cb
     >     71b4b5b9-e744-4c67-9b62-__4f64ab727e47
     >
     >     Set gateway for router 4ca4292c-8954-4f21-acd6-__b0044e0d02cb
     >
     >     Create a tenant-network with a VLAN:
     >
     >     # neutron net-create --tenant-id
    f7e61747885045d8b266a161310c00__94
     >     demo-net --provider:network_type vlan
    --provider:physical_network
     >     physnet1 --provider:segmentation_id 201
     >
     >
     >     Created a new network:
     >
    +---------------------------+-__------------------------------__-------+

     >     | Field                     |
    Value                                |
     >
    +---------------------------+-__------------------------------__-------+

     >     | admin_state_up            |
    True                                 |
     >     | id                        |
    37190389-df4b-49c0-81b9-__05aa6411a81b |
     >     | name                      |
    demo-net                             |
     >
     >     | provider:network_type     |
    vlan                                 |
     >     | provider:physical_network |
    physnet1                             |
     >     | provider:segmentation_id  |
    201                                  |
     >
     >     | shared                    |
    False                                |
     >     | status                    |
    ACTIVE                               |
     >     | subnets
    |                                      |
     >     | tenant_id                 |
    f7e61747885045d8b266a161310c00__94     |
     >
    +---------------------------+-__------------------------------__-------+

     >
     >     Create demo-net subnet:
     >
     >     # neutron subnet-create --tenant-id
     >     f7e61747885045d8b266a161310c00__94 demo-net 10.200.0.0/16
     >     <http://10.200.0.0/16> --gateway 10.200.0.1
     >
     >     Created a new subnet:
     >
    +------------------+----------__------------------------------__----------+

     >     | Field            |
    Value                                            |
     >
    +------------------+----------__------------------------------__----------+

     >     | allocation_pools | {"start": "10.200.0.2", "end":
    "10.200.255.254"} |
     >     | cidr             | 10.200.0.0/16 <http://10.200.0.0/16>
     >                               |
     >     | dns_nameservers
    |                                                  |
     >     | enable_dhcp      |
    True                                             |
     >     | gateway_ip       |
    10.200.0.1                                       |
     >     | host_routes
    |                                                  |
     >     | id               | da53e0df-fb00-46ad-a709-__6eaeda13e23f
     >          |
     >     | ip_version       |
    4                                                |
     >     | name
    |                                                  |
     >     | network_id       | 37190389-df4b-49c0-81b9-__05aa6411a81b
     >          |
     >     | tenant_id        | f7e61747885045d8b266a161310c00__94
     >          |
     >
    +------------------+----------__------------------------------__----------+

     >
     >     Set the router for demo-net:
     >
     >     # neutron router-interface-add
     >     4ca4292c-8954-4f21-acd6-__b0044e0d02cb
     >     da53e0df-fb00-46ad-a709-__6eaeda13e23f
     >
     >     Added interface 250215bf-fe8b-40ed-aeb9-__e284427ec432 to router
     >     4ca4292c-8954-4f21-acd6-__b0044e0d02cb.
     >
     >     And that should work yes?  With a flat ext-net and a VLAN-based
     >     internal net for my tenant net demo-net?
     >
     >     Thanks so much for you help!  The guides don't really go into
    this
     >     kind of detail...
     >
     >     -erich
     >
     >
     >     On 4/2/14, 3:07 AM, Ageeleshwar Kandavelu wrote:
     >
     >         Make your external network flat. If you do so there wont
    be any
     >         vlan tag
     >         on packets reaching your external network.
     >
     >         in you plugin.ini you put something like this
     >         network_vlan_ranges = Intnet1:100:200,Extnet
     >         bridge_mappings = Intnet1:br-eth1,Extnet:br-ex
     >
     >         This means you would use vlan id 100 to 200 on openstack
    networks
     >         created on top of Intnet1.
     >
     >         On Extnet you would not use any vlan.
     >
     >         Then you say that to all traffic on network created on
    Intnet1
     >         should be
     >         bridged to br-eth1. Then you would add eth1 to br-eth1.
     >
     >         Then you say all traffic for Extnet should be bridged to
    br-ex.
     >         Then you
     >         have to add a physical interface say eth2 to br-ex.
     >
     >         Finally you can create an external network in openstack with
     >         physical_network=Extnet.
     >
     >         You just said that all internal network shall be created and
     >         Intnet1 and
     >         allocated vlan from 100 to 200.
     >         External network shall be overlaid on top of Extnet and
    no vlans.
     >
     >         Hope it makes sense.
     >
     >         Ageeleshwar K
     >
     >
     >
    ------------------------------__------------------------------__------------

     >         *From:* Alex Yang [alex890...@gmail.com
     >         <mailto:alex890...@gmail.com>]
     >         *Sent:* Wednesday, April 02, 2014 7:09 AM
     >         *To:* Erich Weiler
     >         *Cc:* openstack@lists.openstack.org
     >         <mailto:openstack@lists.openstack.org>
     >         *Subject:* Re: [Openstack] Neutron network node setup
     >
     >
     >         Hi Erich,
     >
     >         I think this following articles may helpful for you.
     >
     >
    http://developer.rackspace.__com/blog/categories/__networking/
     >         <http://developer.rackspace.com/blog/categories/networking/>
     >
     >
     >
     >         2014-04-02 5:59 GMT+08:00 Erich Weiler <wei...@soe.ucsc.edu
     >         <mailto:wei...@soe.ucsc.edu>
     >         <mailto:wei...@soe.ucsc.edu <mailto:wei...@soe.ucsc.edu>>>:
     >
     >
     >              Hey Y'all,
     >
     >              I'm setting up a dedicated neutron network node and I'm
     >         having a bit
     >              of trouble understanding the way the networks work.
    On the
     >         network
     >              node I have one interface on the public net (eth0), one
     >         interface on
     >              the private net (eth1) and I'm following these
    guides to
     >         set it up.
     >
     >              My plan is to have eth0 on the public network, no VLAN
     >         magic there
     >              or anything.  eth1 will be the data interface, and
    it will be
     >              connected to a trunk switchport so it can use VLANs
    for tenant
     >              isolation (OVS VLAN plugin).
     >
     >              I ran this command to set up ext-net:
     >
     >              neutron net-create ext-net --router:external=True
     >
     >              Created a new network:
     >
     >
    +---------------------------+-____----------------------------__--__-------+

     >              | Field                     | Value
     >                 |
     >
     >
    +---------------------------+-____----------------------------__--__-------+

     >              | admin_state_up            | True
     >                  |
     >              | id                        |
     >         a5599b54-dbfc-42fa-b5b9-____e8ebd574ded0 |
     >
     >              | name                      | ext-net
     >                 |
     >              | provider:network_type     | vlan
     >                  |
     >              | provider:physical_network | physnet1
     >                  |
     >              | provider:segmentation_id  | 200
     >                 |
     >              | router:external           | True
     >                  |
     >              | shared                    | False
     >                 |
     >              | status                    | ACTIVE
     >                  |
     >              | subnets                   |
     >                 |
     >              | tenant_id                 |
     >         36687b1d611740bd9e7309432b22db____cd     |
     >
     >
    +---------------------------+-____----------------------------__--__-------+

     >
     >
     >
     >              But, I don't think network_type=vlan right?  As eth0
    just
     >         sits right
     >              on a public network?  Should network_type=local
    instead?  Also,
     >              should physical_network equal null, and also
     >         segmentation_id equal
     >              null as well?
     >
     >              I would understand type=vlan and seg_id and such for
    a tenant
     >              network, but for ext-net?
     >
     >              Any hints would be greatly appreciated...!
     >
     >              -erich
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