Hi alexis,
Le 21 sept. 2012 à 09:49, "Alexis \"Agemen\"" <[email protected]> a écrit : > On 21 September 2012 07:45, Florian Leparoux <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Le 20 sept. 2012 à 23:35, Jim Henderson <[email protected]> a écrit : >> >>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 22:20:25 +0200, Florian Leparoux wrote: >>> >>>> We need to think for all non-english openSUSE community and not just for >>>> the french community. >>> >>> We do currently have a number of non-English language sections on the >>> openSUSE forums, including a French one - I don't know if you've talked >>> with the moderators of that group (though I know someone from Alionet is >>> talking to swerdna as well). >>> >>> Jim >>> >> >> In fact there is a thread in alionet.org, in the ML-FR, a discussion with >> opensuse moderator, #opensuse-fr and for finish in this ML >> >> Flo >>> -- > Hi everybody, > > I guess it's time to explain a bit why we did this proposal, and why > we think it is a good idea... > > The original objective is, as underlined by Florian, to make the > french community more coherent. I say french here for simplicity, but > that's a bit broader because this forum is used by french speaking > people, not only french. The french community is quite parceled out. > Participation to the broader, international project, does not suffer > from any problem. There are people participating to packaging, IRC and > other parts of the project from both forums. Fortunately. That would > be a real shame otherwise. > > Currently, Alionet is offering some services. There's not only a > forum, but blogs, a CMS dedicated to news and an independant wiki. > There has even been an IRC chan... To be honest, that does not work. > We don't want to do that anymore, splitting our energy in redundant > projects. Whatever will be decided in the end, the wiki will certainly > disappear. It's already hard enough to maintain one, let's not > maintain both. And as I've said, we already decided to remove public > IRC chans linked to Alionet. There are still some private ones, but > dedicated to technical discussions around the website. > > In my opinion, though, three things must not disappear. First, the CMS > (for the news), then the blogs. There are not much that are written in > french, and that's a good store front. People interested in openSUSE > can have news about it in french. That may seem silly, but... well... > french people are not always at their ease when it comes to speak > english. So they can't stay tuned with the projects and actions made > by openSUSE, or not in a single place. > > That said, it's time to speak about the forums. Alionet is way more > used than the french forum in forums.opensuse.org. There are many more > posts there... Of course, that does not do everything. That's just > some "fact"... If we consider only people using forums (everybody does > not particpate to a project the same way... some prefer MLs, other > IRC, other forums, some use many of them...), it seems the Alionet > community is wider. I may be wrong. > > On the technical side, we're actively working to enable nntp. That's a > problem because, for historical reasons[1], our DB uses an iso > charset, while the vBulletin nntp plugin requires UTF8. The SSO part > may be more difficult, however... > > Finally, some side notes. Florian presented Alionet as a "concurrent" > of openSUSE. I don't think it is. Alionet is an association "loi 1901" > in France. The main reason, originally, was that we wanted to have a > clean way to collect money to pay our server. Until then, it has been > proven that, at a local level, it is a good way to gather people and > to strengthen the links between them. > > The Alionet association has been legally created to "promote free > software, the GNU/Linux operating systems, and particularly SUSE and > openSUSE". I think it is self-explanatory. Moreover, since the > creation of the association, we've tried to participate to FOSS > events, on openSUSE stands. I went to the RMLL last year, in LUGs and > in Solutions Linux this year. I may be in Paris again in October. Each > time, we've made this with openSUSE mates. And I say mates. Even if > I'm the "president of the association Alionet", I'm also a member of > the openSUSE community, and that is always a real pleasure to meet > other members of this commmunity. And I personnally don't care if they > are "from Alionet or not". Alionet as been thought as a relay, as a > support, from the beginning. We won't fork the distribution, we won't > try to beat openSUSE. We want to work with and for openSUSE. Call us > concurrent if you want. I, personnally, wouldn't. > > I hope this message helps the debate in some ways. I will follow this > thread, of course... as I do most of the time on openSUSE MLs. > > Best wishes, > > Alexis "Agemen". > > [1] The former server were Alionet lived was not dedicated, and we > then did not have the choice of the charset for the db. That's a > shame... and fixing that takes some time. > -- > OrbisGIS supporter. I just want to say : thanks for this explanation. I think for the global comprehension this message can help everyone. Florian-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] To contact the owner, e-mail: [email protected]
