Le mardi 12 janvier 2016 à 23:56 +0100, Egbert Eich a écrit :
> Bjørn Lie writes:
>  > ti., 12.01.2016 kl. 19.29 +0100, skrev Egbert Eich:
>  > > 
>  > > We could add a 'recommends:' or 'suggests:' to the affected
> driver
>  > > packages. Since these packages are only installed if the
> hardware
>  > > is found, the user will not get the wrapper normally.
>  > > 
>  > 
>  > I'd have no issues with this. But lets start with a suggests
> please :-)
> 
> The problem with suggests: is that IHMO we have nothing that honors
> them.
> There is no tool that tells you: oh, btw, here are packages that we
> suggest
> should be installed as well. 
> Recommends have this weird 'take all or nothing' setting.

Why not use a Requires for those drivers, on the suid wrapper.


>  > 
>  > >  > > 
>  > >  > > Input:
>  > >  > > ======
>  > > 
>  > > Yeah, you can. Just not configure them from Gnome.
>  > 
>  > Oh have you tested? - that commit is only 8 days old and we do not
> have
>  > it in GNOME:Next yet.
> 
> I have not tested, but these drivers will work in X.Org at least. So 
> as long as Gnome supports Xorg, they will continue to work. You will
> have to do the setup using 'xinput' though.

For what it worth, I've been using the xf86-input-libinput on Leap 42.1
for several weeks now and it is working great (setup is a trackball, a
integrated touchpad on Dell laptop and an external touchpad from
Logitech, which can do multi-touch..).


>  > If the hardware still works, I suppose this is the best we have to
>  > offer (at least in openSUSE). From upstream bug, it's being
> suggested
>  > that this commit can be reverted for those who want/have to, but
> I'd
>  > prefer not to deviate. - I see how you might have different needs
> in
>  > SLE though.
> 
> We cannot use this on SLE. At least not SLE-12. It is still too
> bleeding
> edge. At least for SP2.

I guess it will depend how much multitouch we want to support but those
questions are out of topic for this mailing list ;)

>  > > 
>  > > Yeah, possibly. I'm not even sure - have we done this on TW
> already?
>  > > Last time I've checked we hadn't.
>  > > IHMO we should do this there ASAP to have a good test coverage.
>  > > 
>  > 
>  > Great news :-) as my SR to enable automatic install of xf86-input-
>  > libinput a month ago was nacked. I can probably fire up a new one
> some
>  > time tomorrow.
>  > We did have it as autoinstalled back in March, but at the time,
> neither
>  > the driver nor DE's were properly ready for it. Should be quite a
>  > different story today (I've been using it on all my boxes since
>  > summer).
>  > 
> I'm not yet sure how to deal with this on Tumbleweed. On one side I
> would like to have this as a test bed for bleeding edge things, on
> the
> other hand I would not want to enforce everything new on everybody.
> Point is: you may want to try out new things in one area to catch
> issues,
> but in other areas you would like to stay more conservative. If you
> have
> too fight too many fires because everything is bleeding edge, you may
> lose interest. I need to think about this some more and certainly
> discussing
> this also helps.

I guess we'll have do to the jump one day or another (IIRC, Fedora did
the jump on their latest release).

I would do a phased jump:
 - do a formal announcement (and even a blog post) on factory mailing
list to ask people using TW to switch their setup to xf86-input
-libinput and report behaviour changes and other bugs.
- ask similar tests on Leap (maybe with some version bump of xf86-input
-libinput and libinput package)
 - once dust settles, switch TW to xf86-input-libinput and wait for the
next wave of bug reports and potentially retract the switch, fix stuff
and switch back.
 - switch next Leap to it (and maybe a SLE SP)
 - world domination ;)

-- 
Frederic Crozat
Enterprise Desktop Release Manager
SUSE



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