> And who cares about shutdown time? I am leaving and let the OS do the
> shutdown. Wether that is 10 seconds or 10 minutes, I could not care less.

Really?  You don't care?

Well, if I have to upgrade the kernel on a production server, I care a
heck of a lot, because my reboot time is shutdown+BIOS+boot - so if it's
10 minutes to shutdown, that makes for an unacceptably high downtime.

Shutdown time matters, plain and simple.

Oh, and if I'm out and about with my laptop, shutdown time affects when
I have to think about stopping working if I need to move to catch a
train or something (/me never suspends - should probably at least test
it for bugzilla purposes actually...)
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