On Saturday 18 February 2006 01:00 pm, houghi wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 05:38:24PM +0000, Karl Lattimer wrote:
> > I think novell have done some great things for suse but they also seem
> > to have broken the community somewhat, there is growing disrespect for
> > the way novell are doing things they seem to have lost connectivity with
> > the community and concentrated on what linux can do for them, rather
> > than what they can do for linux, the two aren't mutually exclusive.
>
> I think that the SUSE users were used to get a clean SUSE every 6 months.
> We never saw a beta, so we had no idea what was going on. Suddeenly we DO
> see what is going on. Not only that, we get to see the working in general.
>
> Very mch Novell and especially openSUSE want to get the 'lost souls' who
> think they are left behind to join openSUSE and tell what they want. That
> is what openSUSE is all about.

There are a lot of other issues but the easiest current major issue to fix 
would connection and user GUIs for databases.

>
> Saying they are no longer heard anymore is perhaps due to the reason that
> they do not know how to get this list. Yes, SUSE and Novell need to get
> the comunication a bit better. Many things need improvement and everybody
> is working hard on that.

If you think SuSE is bad you should join the Mandriva group to find out what 
bad is.
>
> The fact that they launched the beta on a saturday and not on next monday
> is already proof of that. :-)
>
Launching on a Saturday allows mirrors to update without heavy user load.

> The fact that we are discussiong this is the best proof that they DO
> listen to their comunity and are interested in them.
>
> houghi

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