Could someone make a small note about what xw/ww uses from each
dependency? If someone (*cough*pat*cough*jason*cough*) would even post
something to the list about it, I'll put it up in the wiki.

At the business meeting:
"And webwork has a small memory foot print, only ~20k"
"Why is our WAR file so big then?"
"Well it's dependent on a few other jars"
"A few?"
"At least eight actually... so far."
"Why?"
"Who knows, next slide please."

--Erik


On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Patrick Lightbody wrote:

> I agree, I had that convern as well. The current jars in lib/core are:
>
> beanutils
> logging
> collections
> digester
> ognl
> oscore
> velocity
>
> We could get rid of beanutils, digester, and collections. That's something
> XWork is using but really has no need to (we could parse the simple XML by
> hand).
>
> So yes, we would add velocity as a dependency. But performance is so much
> improved that it's well worth it (IMO).
>
> -Pat
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Ottinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] Velocity as the UI widgets [WW 2.0]
>
>
> > I'll be at the dev meeting, provided nothing comes up, but: my only qualm
> > with using velocity for the UI tags is that it adds velocity dependency to
> > WW, whereas right now, WW only requires commons-collections,
> > commons-logging, digester, beanutils... oh, forget it. :)
> >
> > On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, [ISO-8859-1] Rickard �berg wrote:
> >
> > > Patrick Lightbody wrote:
> > > > Small followup to that:
> > > >
> > > > In a result JSP (success.jsp in the example app for WW 2.0) I placed
> 50
> > > > calls of either:
> > > >
> > > > <ww:textfield .../>
> > > >
> > > > or
> > > >
> > > > <ww:vmtextfield ../>
> > > >
> > > > Average response time when using the JSP-based components: 162ms
> > > > Average response time when using the velocity-based components: 38ms
> > > >
> > > > That's a performance boost of 4X. Also, I don't have a test for this,
> but it
> > > > "feels" like velocity also scales more. Here's my less scientific
> test:
> > > >
> > > > Using the JSP-based example from above, I held down "reload" so that
> about
> > > > 40 http requests were sent in. The time for the final 20 requesst to
> be
> > > > handled took on average 40 -seconds-. When using velocity under the
> same
> > > > test, the final 20 requests took on average 1.4 seconds. That's a
> > > > scalability factor of about 30X!
> > >
> > > As I may have mentioned we are basing our SiteVision CMS/portal product
> > > entirely on WebWork/Velocity. Based on benchmarks I've done the above
> > > sounds about right (e.g. an average page with about 10 Velocity portlets
> > > render in ~50ms, even under high load). Velocity is incredibly fast, and
> > > scales very well.
> > >
> > > Which is why I proposed that we switch to it for the UI tags. I'm happy
> > > to see that your tests verify this idea :-)
> > >
> > > /Rickard
> > >
> > >
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