I don't know how to ask this, but I'm too curious not to: what reasons might
Hibernate have had to not join JBoss?

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I can't wait for the next mock-interview on the BileBlog with Gavin on
why he joined JBoss!


Cheers,
   matthew

On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 01:01 PM, Hani Suleiman wrote:

> Ohdear, poor Hibernate. Foolish Gavin. He seemed like such a nice guy
> when
> I met him too.
>
> Matthew E. Porter said:
>> While we are on the topic of Hibernate......
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>    matthew
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> From: Bill Burke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Date: Wed Sep 17, 2003  12:08:45 PM US/Central
>>> To: Gavin King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Cc: hibernate list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Subject: [Hibernate] JBoss welcomes Gavin and Hibernate
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I would sincerely like to welcome Gavin and Hibernate to the JBoss
>>> Group and JBoss.org umbrella.  I can't tell you how incredibly
>>> psyched
>>>  and excited we at JBoss are about this.  Over the past year, I can't
>>> tell you how many times we've encountered customers that are using
>>> Hibernate or are looking to use Hibernate to replace the clunky
>>> design
>>>  that EJB CMP is.
>>>
>>> Technically this is a perfect marriage for both projects.  We at
>>> JBoss
>>>  have been looking at replacing our aging CMP persistence for over a
>>> year now in JBoss 4.0.  We are excited that we will be able to
>>> leverage Hibernate as the backbone of our persistence solutions
>>> rather
>>>  than having to patch our existing, aging solution or rewriting it
>>> from  scratch.  Hibernate will also become part of our POJO/AOP based
>>> solution and a key component of our aspect-oriented middleware
>>> offering.  These two things alone will expand the userbase and
>>> developer base of Hibernate.  This means more people finding bugs and
>>> more people fixing bugs.
>>>
>>> JBoss developers have also done a lot of distributed caching work
>>> that
>>>  will be applicable to Hibernate.  We will also help Gavin create
>>> tighter integration of Hibernate with JBoss for those of you who are
>>> interested in that.  Things like packaged Hibernate components that
>>> can be hot-deployed.  JMX management of Hibernate components.  Those
>>> are just a few of the things that we can introduce.
>>>
>>> JBoss Group is proud to pionner a model we call "Professional Open
>>> Source" whereby JBoss.org grows and JBoss Group recruits the top
>>> talent from succesful open source efforts.  It enables developers to
>>> work fulltime, become pro, on their own projects.  Recently JBoss
>>> Group recruited Remy Maucherat, the lead developer of Tomcat 5,
>>> Julien
>>> Viet the developer of Nukes, Bela Ban, creator of JavaGroups, more
>>> are
>>>  coming.  JBG offers the rare opportunity to turn from hobbyist open
>>> source to professional open source.  All core JBoss developers are
>>> pro
>>>  themselves(myself included). JBoss Group professional open source
>>> sponsors the top developers to work full time on their projects and
>>> thus provides a boost to the projects involved by sponsoring their
>>> leaders. Finally the availability of professional services is a boost
>>> to corporate adoption of succesful open source projects such as
>>> Hibernate.  We strongly believe this is the way of the future at >
>>> JBoss.
>>>
>>> Finally, I'd also like to reiterate Gavin's assertion that not much
>>> will change for Hibernate users other than that you might see some
>>> references /advertisements for JBossGroup services for Hibernate on
>>> the Hibernate.org website.  Gavin will still retain full control of
>>> the Hibernate trademark, website, and project.  He will work mostly
>>> on
>>>  Hibernate and will only give occasional support to our CMP team lead
>>> by Alex Loubyansky.
>>>
>>> All and all, I hope you all look favorably on this new relationship.
>>> I know I do.
>>>
>>> Thanks all!
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
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