Adding to Jason's third point - if you normally have a graphic
designer (or a team of them) working on the
design/layout/graphics of your web pages, I think that JSF will
be a very large hurdle for them, if not a complete roadblock to
productivity. The vision for JSF is that tools like Macromedia
will let designers operate like normal, but the tools will
generate JSF tags instead of HTML tags. I'd have to guess that
it will be quite awhile before that is achieved. In the mean
time, you'll have to figure out a way for designers to write JSF
tags, or some developer's gonna get stuck turning the designers'
HTML into JSF tags every time there's a UI change. Doesn't sound
like fun to me.

Rob



---- On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Jason Carreira
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> 1. WebWork decouples your controller logic from your view, and
Actions
> can be reused outside a web context. JSF is all about the
view, and ties
> your code in as basically event handlers for your UI. It's
kind of like
> VB in this sense. Yes, you CAN build reusable and decoupled
application
> pieces in VB/JSF, but it's not built that way from the start.
> 
> 2. WebWork (1.3) is a shipping, production quality framework.
JSF is
> probably 3-4 months from being released. WebWork2 is probably
1-2 months
> from being generally available.
> 
> 3. JSF will require a whole new way of building web
applications. Your
> pages won't have any HTML in them, just JSF tags which include
other
> components, which will render themselves (last time I looked,
the
> renderers wrote out HTML via out.println() statements...
Yuck).
> 
> I think JSF has some interesting ideas. I'm worried about
performance in
> JSF (a server roundtrip for every radio-button group
selection?) and
> tieing business logic into your view. I prefer Xwork's
completely
> web-agnostic command pattern, myself. It's still on my Jira
issues to
> build a JSF/Xwork bridge, like Craig has for Struts, but
that's probably
> a ways off.
> 
> Jason
> 


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