Hi Michael,

On Nov 17, 2014, at 18:39 , Michael Richardson <m...@sandelman.ca> wrote:

> 
> Richard Mortimer <richm+open...@oldelvet.org.uk> wrote:
>> I think I saw something similar when I was using an ADSL connection.
> 
>> When the connection was under full load (I don't remember whether it
>> was upstream, downstream or both) the LCP echo requests that PPPD does
>> seem to get dropped somewhere in the ADSL infrastructure. The link is
>> however working fine passing "real" traffic.
> 
> Sounds like the something a proper BQL limit on the etherne/ATM part of the
> PPPoE coud fix.  For PPPoE, traffic shapping should occur on the PPP
> interface

        Note SQM does not care too much where you put the shaper,but if you 
shape one the pppoe device the pop maintenance packets are never seen by SQM so 
they will not be dropped. Shaping on the raw ATM device (in your case) should 
also work (never tested this myself as I have no open dsl-router), but almost 
all packets will end up in the default queue (I think) as the packet 
classification can not see through the pop encapsulation. Also if you want to 
go that route you shold make sure the PPP maintenance packets get their own 
highest priority queue… (as dropping enough of those will most likely drop your 
connection, luckily they do not cost a lot of bandwidth...)

> and should probably run at no more than 99% of the real link
> capacity (if you can determine it...sigh),

        In my limited experience the link speed as reported by the modem was 
always the correct brute link speed that SQM’s link layer adjustments could 
work with, so maybe just taking the values the modem part of your router 
reports and subtract say 3% on egress and 10% on ingress should be a decent 
starting point.

> the LCP messages should bypass that part. 

        Unless you shape on the ATM device ;)

> DSL with the modem built-in ought to auto-adjust the bandwdth viaBQL
> perfectly…

        For egress/upstream (I really hope we will get something like that in 
the future); bit for ingress/downlink you still need a properly configured 
shaper until the DSLAMs/MSANs/BRASs learn BQL fq_codel (which might take a 
while)

Best Regards
        Sebastian

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