Hello I really don't feel competent enough to discuss such organization changes. For me having Pax-Web (and Pax-Logging and others) outside of ASF gives me easier release process. But I confess that I don't think much about how Sonatype's OPS4J repos are managed, by whom and using what rules.
Felix indeed has log and http implementations, so adding pax-logging and pax-web to Karaf (even if natural) would be kind of strange at ASF. I'd also never consider "merging" felix.log and felix.http with pax-logging and pax-web respectively, because the latter have some specific features many people got used to (e.g., Undertow backend) What I miss is non existing CI for Pax projects. There was http://ci.ops4j.org/jenkins/ at some point, but it's no longer available. regards Grzegorz Grzybek czw., 20 lut 2020 o 08:06 Jean-Baptiste Onofré < jeanbaptiste.ono...@gmail.com> napisał(a): > That's true, but I think that's also a drawback. > > The leak of governance and the fact we don't have any staging on releases > could be seen as an issue. > > That's why it could be interesting to have this under the "Karaf Umbrella". > > Regards > JB > > On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 7:58 AM 'Christoph Läubrich' via OPS4J < > ops4j@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> I always enjoyed the ease of contribution via github with minimal >> effort. While for apache-projects has always felt like a mess because of >> different hurdles. >> >> So I would defiantly vote for staying with github, dropping JIRA in >> favour of github issues (they improved the issue/project handling a lot) >> to centralize development to one place. >> >> Github even offers building "Actions" now so maybe this is also an >> alternative for custom build-server. >> >> Am 20.02.20 um 07:17 schrieb Jean-Baptiste Onofré: >> > Hi, >> > >> > If option 4 is interesting, we have to remember: >> > >> > 1. First, in which Apache umbrella project. I don't think Felix is a >> > good match as we might have some overlap with existing projects (felix >> > http, ...). Maybe Karaf ? >> > 2. We need to transfer IP and "PMC" set and ask in the Apache project >> > community with a formal vote. >> > 3. We will have to follow Apache process, especially for releases >> > (meaning at least 3 days vote, 3 binding votes, etc), extending Apache >> > pom, etc. >> > >> > So, IMHO, we have really two options: >> > >> > 1. We keep OPS4J community, do a cleanup (announcing non active >> projects) >> > 2. We move active Pax projects to Apache (obviously my preference would >> > be Karaf). >> > >> > Thoughts ? >> > >> > Regards >> > JB >> > >> > On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 1:01 PM Toni Menzel <toni.men...@rebaze.com >> > <mailto:toni.men...@rebaze.com>> wrote: >> > >> > *TL/TR:* >> > I'd be also happy to pay for ops4j.org <http://ops4j.org> (the one >> > that is actively used atm). >> > >> > *Long version:* >> > Since this is coming up now, there is a general question were to go >> > with OPS4J in general. >> > >> > It predated github and probably was back then the easiest way to get >> > hands dirty in a non-trivial java based OSS community where trust >> > was default. Think about it, back then everyone could get write >> > access to the subversion repo and start hacking on new or existing >> > projects. Including admin access to jira and whatever else was >> > existing back then. Pax URL, Pax Runner, Pax Exam, Pax Construct >> > etc. all got initiated by individuals without asking for permission. >> > I mean.. thats Names like Pax Tinybundles got to life.. but oh well. >> > >> > Now, why am I writing this: there is - at least for pax url, web and >> > exam - a huge user base that seems to be quite healthy. Even if >> > there is just that "ops4j" name of the github organization now, no >> > website etc. >> > >> > So, question: what are the options? Let me just drop them here that >> > come to my mind (ordered from easy-as-py to more complicated >> options): >> > >> > * keep things as is, find individual sponsors like I do with the >> > Build Server (who uses that still by the way??), and JB or me >> > (this means I'd be also fine to pay for the org domain that is >> > in active use,too btw). It would be good to have two different >> > companies or legal entities backing this anyway. >> > * Modernize OPS4J a bit. Get it a landing page at least and a >> > clear who is behind all this, who pays etc. Maybe look at Github >> > Sponsoring to spread costs across user base - avoid single >> > entity control. >> > * Maybe look into making it a proper foundation or at least an >> > entity that makes the work here eligible for future donations. I >> > am not sure of this is worth it. But i feel Open Source != Open >> > Governance. >> > * Retire non active projects and donate active projects to apache. >> > Probably difficult because of Intellectual Property) >> > >> > wdyt? >> > Toni >> > >> > >> > *Toni Menzel | rebaze.com <https://www.rebaze.com> | growing >> > developer culture >> > >> > * >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 12:37 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré >> > <jeanbaptiste.ono...@gmail.com >> > <mailto:jeanbaptiste.ono...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> > Hi Niclas >> > >> > First of all, thanks a lot for all what you did (and still doing >> > 😀). >> > >> > I’m ready to take the hand for the domain and finance them. >> > >> > Thoughts ? >> > >> > Regards >> > JB >> > >> > Le mer. 19 févr. 2020 à 12:13, Niclas Hedhman >> > <nic...@hedhman.org <mailto:nic...@hedhman.org>> a écrit : >> > >> > Everyone, >> > In a few months time (June), the OPS4J domain names are up >> > for renewal. And I have been paying for those for 15 years >> > now, and since I no longer participate in OPS4J I would like >> > to transfer the domain names. But where to?? >> > >> > Ideally a foundation that would be Ok to take it over, >> > otherwise to a trusted community member. >> > >> > Ideas are welcome, and should be discussed. 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