Hi Alex,

I think this is a very good discussion. I raised this question before in the 
mailing list.
I think there may be some benefits:
1. The meta data can always go with the telemetry data, without explicit 
subscription. This facilitates the close loop automation.
2. Another subscription to the subscription information may make the management 
complex, since we put all the subscriptions in one list.

Best,
Tianran

发件人: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-boun...@ietf.org] 代表 Alexander Clemm
发送时间: 2022年11月18日 7:40
收件人: opsawg@ietf.org
主题: [OPSAWG] Manifest need? Re: draft-claise-opsawg-collected-data-manifest

Hello draft-claise-opsawg-collected-data-manifest coauthors,

I just wanted to follow up on my comment at the microphone in London regarding 
draft-claise-opsawg-collected-data-manifest.

Clearly, there is a need to preserve context to be able to correctly interpret 
data after it has been collected.  That being said, as currently stated, the 
draft appears to overspecify some of those things, defining some YANG data that 
IMHO is not actually needed as the same can already be accomplished.  This 
concerns the specifics about the subscription itself.

RFC 8641 includes a YANG model that reflects for each subscription how it is 
configured (whether configured directly or established by RPC), including the 
selection filter, the update trigger, the period and anchor time (in case of 
periodic subscription), dampening periods and excluded changes (in case of 
on-change subscription), etc. The corresponding YANG data can be itself be 
subscribed to, or retrieved on demand, just like any other kind of YANG data.

I am therefore not quite sure what the proposed manifest would provide that 
couldn't be accomplished already.  The suggestion to retain the subscription 
data along with the subscribed data makes a lot of sense but would appear to be 
a practice that will be up to the management application to implement, with the 
mechanism already provided.  (This could of course be included as a description 
of a recommended practice in the draft.)  Or is there something else that is 
missing?

If there is indeed a delta that cannot be otherwise accomplished, my suggestion 
would be to add text to the draft that clearly describes the possibility of 
subscribing to subscription configuration data, then explaining the functional 
delta that your draft covers in addition to that.

Thanks
--- Alex
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