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> On Jan 30, 2026, at 3:08 PM, Mahesh Jethanandani <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Acee/Qiufang,
> 
>> On Jan 29, 2026, at 4:32 AM, Acee Lindem <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Qiufang, 
>> 
>> 
>> See inline. 
>> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2026, at 2:41 AM, maqiufang (A) <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Acee,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the follow-up, please see below inline with [Qiufang]. My 
>>> co-authors may chime in if they wish.
>>> 
>>>> I have one major concern with this document. The YANG model adds 
>>>> generalized schedule-based ACEs, yet this is not reflected in the YANG 
>>>> model name,  draft title, or abstract. This should at least be in a 
>>>> separate YANG model and possibly in a separate draft since it appears 
>>>> to have been added as an afterthought and, IMO, it is much more 
>>>> important than the group-based access control.
>>>> [Qiufang] Note that this is not an afterthought design, it is there when 
>>>> the draft was -00. We split the scheduling related definition into a 
>>>> separate I-D to define common groupings (see 
>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-schedule-yang/), based 
>>>> on the WG feedback.
>>>> I agree with you that the extension regarding scheduling is of great 
>>>> importance, it addresses the requirement of “when to take effect”, 
>>>> together with endpoint group based matching, which resolves the 
>>>> requirement of “for whom to take effect”, they both constitutes the data 
>>>> model, separating them could fragment the policy model. Hopefully this 
>>>> clarifies the intention.
>>>> To enhance the visibility of the scheduling feature, we have updated both 
>>>> the abstract and introduction sections to reflect it explicitly.
>>> 
>>> Will you also have a separate YANG model? For example, 
>>> ietf-acl-ace-sched.yang? 
>>> [Qiufang] As clarified, creating a separate model might introduce 
>>> unnecessary fragmentation. Note we already use if-feature to make each 
>>> augment conditional ("match-on-group" feature for endpoint group based 
>>> augmentation and "schedule" feature for date and time based ACLs), this 
>>> allows the potential for reuse that a separate model could provide, 
>>> especially for implementations that wants to support time-based ACLs 
>>> without the complexity of endpoint group matching. Thanks.
>> 
>> I think quite the contrary. Hiding this important capability with a feature 
>> into a model relating to RADIUS authentication is just wrong. 
>> This model will need to be imported just to get the scheduled ACE 
>> functionality. I'd like to hear what Med (Co-author) and
>> Majesh have to say about this.
> 
> I am not sure if this is directed to me, as I am not Majesh :-)

That is Mahesh in Español... 


> 
> The core offering of the draft is a policy-based network access control. As 
> part of that offering, there is as you note Acce, a *capability* of being 
> able to schedule that policy. That capability is much like the rest of the 
> capabilities in the module, e.g., mapping of a user group to set of IP/MAC 
> addresses. Rather than listing every capability in the Abstract, how about 
> this as a suggested change?

Who is Acce? 😎

> 
> Abstract:
> 
> The abstract anyway needs to be short and succint. It could therefore drop 
> the second paragraph and just say:
> 
> "This document defines a YANG data model for policy-based network access 
> control, which provides enforcement of network access control policies based 
> on group identity.”
> 
> and then in the Introduction, where one normally starts describing the module 
> in detail could add a sentence, (which BTW, appears later in the draft). 
> Specifically, in the Introduction section, the paragraph that starts with 
> “Specifically in scenarios …”, could see an addition of the following 
> sentence at the end.
> 
> “Finally, it enables access control policy activation based on date and time 
> conditions.'
I was also thinking the scheduling should have its own YANG module, e.g., 
ietf-acl-sched.yang, that could be imported separately since this is more 
significant the the extension for authentication. 

Thanks,
Acee




> 
> Cheers.
> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 5. How did you decide on 64 octets for the group identifier string
>>>>  maximum?
>>>> [Qiufang] As specified in the YANG module, the “group-id” is defined as a 
>>>> string type with a length constraint of "1..64". This is to align with 
>>>> that.
>>> 
>>> Right - I'm asking how you came up with 64 octets as a limit?
>>> [Qiufang] sorry for misunderstanding. 64 is not arbitrary, see 
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7950.html#section-6.2: "Implementations 
>>> MUST support identifiers up to 64 characters in length and MAY support 
>>> longer identifiers."
>>> And also 
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis-28#section-4.3:
>>>  "All YANG identifiers in published modules MUST be between 1 and 64 
>>> characters in length."
>> 
>> The references you cite are relating to YANG model identifiers, e.g, 
>> "group-id", NOT the length of 
>> the value of a YANG type string leaf. 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 6. In section 6, I would have expected the attribute to be the first
>>>>  column in table 4.
>>>> [Qiufang] Review of RADIUS-related RFCs (e.g., RFC 8044, RFC 2865) reveals 
>>>> no mandatory requirement that the attribute column be placed as the first 
>>>> column in the table. Since the table focuses solely on the single 
>>>> attribute "User-Access-Group-ID"—with no need to distinguish between 
>>>> multiple attributes—placing the attribute column last does not obscure the 
>>>> key information.
>>>> There are also some input received from RADEXT WG, see some previous 
>>>> discussion at : 
>>>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/opsawg/EWuvlu623PgapTPSB4s8LM6lc5M/.
>>> 
>>> But English is normally left-to-right and one would expect the attribute to 
>>> be in the first column. 
>>> [Qiufang] Thanks, Acee. I don’t really have a strong feeling regarding 
>>> this. While I checked some existing RFCs that register the RADIUS attribute 
>>> type from "Radius Attribute Types", it seems that most of the RFCs put the 
>>> attribute as the last column, e.g., 
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc5176#section-3.6, 
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8658#Table3, 
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc5090#section-5, and  
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc9445#table-1, perhaps aligning 
>>> with existing RFCs would help improve consistency?
>> 
>> Ok, You can leave it if there are other places where it is backwards. 
>> 
>> THanks,
>> Acee
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Qiufang
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> Mahesh Jethanandani
> [email protected]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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