[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Well, I doubt that.  With an average reach of 5 feet, it would take less
> than 8 million people to hold hands along the Canada/US border.
> 
> You should check your math more carefully before spouting such nonsense.
> 

Huh? I used
        28,000,000 people
        7000 miles
        5000 feet/mile
        = 0.8 ft = 1 ft/person

One!! I thought it was 10, must of dropped a zero somewhere.

I tell my developers when sizing tables an error of 2 or 4 times 
is okay but an order of magnitude is a bit much. Thanks for
the correction.

More math, Steve has asked how many mile I put on my bicycle 
while in the valley:
        11 months
        10 days/month   (I telecommuted the other 2 weeks)
        8 miles/day
        = 880 miles
        add the zero I dropped earlier 
        = 8800 miles

I thinks thats why it didn't work out in the valley for me.
Only a four mile commute, I just didn't have the right attitude :)

You're right Steve, it is still a little cool to be riding in 
Calgary right now. (though there are some crazies who ride all 
winter, the thought of it being 30 below, on a bike makes me 
shiver as I sit here, Brrrrr). March in the valley is 
very similar to May in Calgary. In Calgary I usually bike
from the middle of April to the middle of October. My house 
is six miles from downtown so I usually put on about 1200
(oh, add the zero, 12000) miles a year there.

Beers!! I found a place that served Humboldt Red Pale Ale. 
Any companies in Humboldt county looking for a DBA? I 
patronized the place (The Fish Market) until the keg ran out,
notice I didn't mention this until the keg ran out, and then
they told me they were not going to order another one. The
nerve of some people. Really good beer, I was impressed.


OEM, after reading about the trials and tribulations of people
trying to install OEM, why are people wasting their time and 
money running a product that requires you to take a massive 
security risk by running Intelligent agent.

I have a set of monitoring scripts (email me offline if 
you want a copy, do not ask for support if, they do not work
on your db, you will learn more if you fix them yourself) 
that I install at every site. Within 15 minutes I have realtime
text reports that cover everything from invalid objects, 
snapshot refreshes, extents, I/O memory. latches , config
parameters.... ( about 6 pages of data).

Create a reporting schema, install perl DBI, (not on the db 
server, on a client somewhere) gnu-plot or a similar graphing 
package (anyone know a good perl one?) and within a week
you have graphical historical reports.

It's free and you have increased your skills.

As for detecting outages, here is a short ksh script that connects to
the db as normal user. If the connect fails, do a network ping. 
This is to determine which type of admin gets paged. 
It used to do a tnsping before the ping but since the DBA has
to fix it anyways that was redundant. Far more relieable than OEM.
And yes I know it is lousy code, but look at my math, what do you 
expect.

#!/bin/ksh
# Database monitor scrip, cron at desired time interval
# requires host ip address, email addresses for dba and sysadmin
# requires $ORACLE_HOME


if [ X$1 != X ]; then
  export DBNAME=$1
else
  echo "The database name must be passed as a parameter"
  exit
fi

DBA="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
ADMIN="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"

DBTEST=test_account/test_password@${DBNAME}
export ORACLE_HOME=/wherever/your/oracle/binaries/are

export HOSTN=ip_address_of_your_db_server

${ORACLE_HOME}/bin/sqlplus -s $DBTEST > /dev/null 2>&1 << EOF
        whenever sqlerror exit 1
        select * from dual;
        exit 0
EOF

if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then
        echo "`date`: Database $DBNAME is up and running."
else
      ping -c 1 $HOSTN | grep " 0% packet loss" > /dev/null
      if [ $? -eq 1 ]; then
        echo "ERROR !!! Network or Server DOWN !!!!"
        echo "Ping of $HOSTN failed !!!"
        mailx -s "ALERT !!!...$HOSTN ping failed" $ADMIN <<-EOF2
                Subject: Pinging $HOSTN failed
                Pinging $HOSTN failed.
                Please investigate!!!
EOF2
      mailx -s "ALERT!!!...$HOSTN ping failed. sysadmin notified." $DBA
<<-EOF4
                Subject: Pinging $HOSTN failed
                Pinging $HOSTN failed.
                Please investigate!!!
EOF4
      else
        echo "`date`: Database $DBNAME on $HOSTN is down!!!"
        mailx -s "ALERT!!!...Database $DBNAME is down on $HOSTN" $DBA
<<-EOF1
                Subject: Database $DBNAME is down on $HOSTN
                Database $DBNAME is down on $HOSTN.
                Please investigate!!!
EOF1

fi
# end-of-script

The problem with point and click GUI's is that they isolate the DBA
from the detailed sql that is needed to really MANAGE Oracle.

IMHO

Dave

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