Thats what we liked about Vancouver. Although not so much energy as the City
of New York I think. Believe me, we will visit NY, if only to keep my wife
happy, she is desperate to go there.

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but you must come to NY as well!  not just the city (although that's a 
requirement) but upstate NY as well.

one of the things I love best about living here is that I have the energy of

the city, and I can also have the beauty and peace of the mountains upstate 
-- all within a 2 hour drive.

But then, I'm prejudiced, I've never lived outside the greater NY 
metropolitan area. :)



>From: lerobe - Lee Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: RE: Offtopic: Canada and America
>Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:17:38 -0800
>
>Speaking as a neutral (English), I like both countries just fine and each
>has its good (and bad) points.
>
>Thoroughly enjoyed all of my trips over there (in fact, we have holidayed
>nowhere else since 1992) and the thing I like best was depending on where
>you go (in the same country), outlooks on life, habits and cultures seem to
>be as diverse as that between some countries.
>
>Been to British Columbia (x2) and Alberta in Canada
>Maine, Florida, Washington(x2), Hawaii(x2), California, Nevada and Arizona
>in the States.
>
>Out of the few places I have been to, I vote Vancouver No 1. I took a lot
>into consideration here but found it to be the place on top of all other
>things, where I would consider actually living and putting down roots
>(Honolulu was fantastic however !!). My wife wanted to live in Victoria on
>the Island, very pretty but a little sleepy for my liking.
>
>I've still got a hell of a lot to see and do (so little time and money).
>
>Cheers
>
>Lee
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>Sent: 15 March 2001 19:06
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>Where would the US be without Molsen's and Labatt's, Eh?, ya know?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:01 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
><RANT>
>Typical, a hotmail account spouting off what they know nothing
>about.
>
>Fact:  The longest undefended border in the world is between Canada
>       and the US. ( > 7000 miles)
>
>Granted this reflects better on the US than Canada, as we could put
>the whole Canadian population along the border and still couldn't hold
>hands.
>
>Question:
>       Name any other state that has lived peacefully beside it's
>       neighbour with 1/10 of the population for almost 200 years?
>
>       Russia and the Ukraine? China and Tibet? Germany and Denmark?
>
>It is almost 200 years because one of the defining moments of
>Canadian history is the War of 1812.
>
>       Canadian Geopolitical Summary:
>               We kicked America's butt.
>       American Geopolitical Summary:
>               We kicked Britains butt.
>       British Geopolitical Summary:
>               We kicked Napoleons butt.
>
>Pierre Berton's "War of 1812" and "Flames Across the Border" provide
>a slightly biased but relatively fair view of this conflict from the
>Canadian viewpoint. There are no similar British or American texts
>because the Canadian theatre was a very minor and trivial part of
>this conflict.
>
><Canadian Patriotism On>
>Please note that this is the only war America has ever lost. To a
>bunch of meek and mild Canadians...
></CanPat>
>
>The truth is that the largest force in Canada at the time was
>the British army.
>
>Typically Canadian, one of our nation building moments hardly involved
>us.
>
>I am proud to be Canadian, I am proud to be best friends with America.
>Thank you, America for being our friend.
>
>Does Canada have problems, you bet. Does America have problems, more
>than us
>the poor fellows.
>
>We do not follow America, we guide it, help it, support it and party
>with it.
>
>And if the rest of the world was as reasonable as they are, Canada could
>help
>them too. ( Apologies to the citizens of many states I have slandered
>with
>the above comment )
>
>Before you comment on cultures you have not experienced it would be
>advisable
>to at least visit there as a tourist. If you work there for a while you
>may even
>realize that what is "common knowledge" is wrong. After spending six
>weeks in
>Moscow, 2 years ago, I do not believe anything I read in the media (it
>is both
>better and worse than it is reported).
>
>And yes, there is a separate Canadian culture. (Part of which is
>wondering if
>we have a separate culture.)
>
>
></RANT>
>
>Sigh.., and the day after I promised Jared I would behave.
>
>Dave
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