Mike, "It's easier"?????? Okay, some things are less complicated, but there are so many more things, I end up studying this stuff nearly every night. David A. Barbour Oracle DBA, OCP AISD 512-414-1002 "Vergara, Michael To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (TEM)" cc: <mvergara@gui Subject: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore... dant.com> Sent by: root@fatcity. com 05/25/2001 12:28 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L I can remember as far back as version 7.3 where Oracle was touting that "you won't need a DBA for our new database". It hasn't happened yet, has it? Oh yes, it's easier, but we're still here! And besides, what were they offering in the cold call? Replacing your DBAs with their DBAs. At (probably) twice the price. Outsourcing Lives! Just my $0.02 worth. Mike --- =========================================================================== Michael P. Vergara | I've got a PBS mind in an MTV world Oracle DBA | Guidant Corporation | -----Original Message----- From: Gary Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 9:27 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore... Very stupid thing to do by Oracle, considering the fact that many Oracle purchasing decisions are made by Oracle DBAs. To shut us out like that will most certainly have an effect on Oracle Sales. Hell, you don't need me anymore? I'll switch political sides and jump the ship to IBM, or <gasp> Microsoft... Far as their "superior" i-dba team, I sure hope those are different people from the ones you get on first line of Support... Gary Weber PS. Or maybe we should all become Oracle salesmen (saleswomen).... -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bowes, Chris Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore... My boss just received a cold call from Oracle that he let me listen in on. They have a new push on for their i-dba support package. For just a little more money (they did not define little), "we will replace your dba's with our superior support team that will monitor your database 24x7 and proactively eliminate problems. This will allow you to redesign you office to offload these cumbersome DBA tasks and allow your workers to do other things. You will never have another database problem." I felt good when my boss indicated that we had no base problems but based on this, I guess we will have to become sqlserver DBAs or <gasp> developers... :) Ahh, Friday, wonderful Friday, it seems like you've been away all week... --Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists -------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).