Dear Rachel, 

Alex might not *be* coffee drinker. Don't you think
it might be more polite to offer him some fine tea?

Or, if the stimulant effect is what you are hoping
to achieve, how about  

"Goddamnit, Alex, wake up and smoke the crack pipe!"

- Ross

p.s. If anyone is interested, I decided not to publish
my thesis, because it would cost me 79$ dollars to have
it microfiched. 

|| -----Original Message-----
|| From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
|| Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 5:14 PM
|| To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
|| Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
|| 
|| 
|| let's see, I think Dad paid something on the order of $10K 
|| to publish his 
|| book (about 100 copies). Of course, it was a hard-cover edition.
|| 
|| and editors don't come cheap.
|| 
|| Alex -- how much money do you really think an author makes 
|| on a book???
|| 
|| I'd figure that the average book (and technical books have 
|| to be updated 
|| about every 18 months) takes about 500 hours to write (this 
|| is a number 
|| Kevin Loney has come up with and I'm willing to believe him, 
|| given his 
|| experience)
|| 
|| So... as a consultant let's say I work cheap (in NY anyway) 
|| for $100/hr
|| 
|| 500 hours over a 40 hour week = 12.5 weeks or about 3 months
|| 
|| so.... 500*100 = $50,000  for 3 months, or $200,000 over a year
|| 
|| THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL YOU MAKE ANYTHING LIKE THAT AS AN AUTHOR!!!
|| 
|| Damn it, best-selling authors don't make that kind of money.
|| 
|| Geez, wake up and smell the coffee, technical writing is NOT 
|| done to get 
|| rich.
|| 
|| 
|| 
|| >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|| >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|| >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|| >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
|| >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 12:11:00 -0800
|| >
|| >I am sure that any of working DBA's have this money to put 
|| up front. I 
|| >don't
|| >think that risk to invest in the book is more than in the 
|| stock market. 
|| >Also
|| >what is the problem to hire editor (especially not 
|| technical). Should not 
|| >be
|| >too expencive. Of cource it is more work, but one can get 
|| much more money.
|| >
|| >Alex Hillman
|| >
|| >-----Original Message-----
|| >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 3:26 PM
|| >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
|| >
|| >
|| >self-publishing houses charge you to publish the book (yes, 
|| they do, that's
|| >how my father-in-law published his book)
|| >
|| >I also doubt that they give you much in the way of help in 
|| editing your
|| >book, so that if your English is not good (as the case of 
|| the author that
|| >Jonathan is working with) you end up with an unreadable book.
|| >
|| >
|| > >From: "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|| > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|| > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|| > >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
|| > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 07:45:49 -0800
|| > >
|| > >I would one of self-publishing houses like Technion where 
|| you can get 33%
|| > >of
|| > >sales.
|| > >If your book is any good it will sell in the same volume 
|| as with any 
|| >other
|| > >publisher (not that they spend a lot of money for 
|| promotion any way).
|| > >
|| > >Alex Hillman
|| > >
|| > >-----Original Message-----
|| > >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:31 AM
|| > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
|| > >
|| > >
|| > >First would be to prepare and send a synopsis to the
|| > >'big name' oracle publishers - O'Reilly, Wrox and the
|| > >like..
|| > >
|| > >hth
|| > >connor
|| > >
|| > >--- Jim Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All,
|| > > >
|| > > > I am very interested in collaborating with others in
|| > > > the writing of an
|| > > > Oracle technical book (DBA subject matter).  I am
|| > > > interested in how those of
|| > > > you who have done this (ala Rachel), got started or
|| > > > made the right
|| > > > connections.  I do have a somewhat literary
|| > > > background, so I know I can do
|| > > > this.
|| > > >
|| > > > Jim
|| > > >
|| > > > Jim Hawkins
|| > > > Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator
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